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Pan Philosophy Debates / Re: Philosopher & Philosophy
« Last post by Satyr on February 27, 2017, 04:04:48 pm »
I am immune to your insults Satyr. They lack any sting rendering them entirely ineffective. But I know you routinely
abuse all those who disagree with you so it would be unfair to exclude me. Unlike others though I do not reciprocate
For ad hominem is not my style. But you ad hom away if it makes you feel good. Seriously. Knock your self out man
Your counter arguments and logic was impressive.
The way you just declared your disagreement.
too much for me to handle.
Had to go for the low blow.
So stoic in your indifference...so mature.
You are so open-minded.

Twat stands proven.
Enjoy your stay.
One more hypocrite for the trash-pile.
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Pan Philosophy Debates / Re: Philosopher & Philosophy
« Last post by surreptitious57 on February 27, 2017, 03:52:22 pm »
I am immune to your insults Satyr. They lack any sting rendering them entirely ineffective. But I know you routinely
abuse all those who disagree with you so it would be unfair to exclude me. Unlike others though I do not reciprocate
For ad hominem is not my style. But you ad hom away if it makes you feel good. Seriously. Knock your self out man
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Pan Philosophy Debates / Re: Philosopher & Philosophy
« Last post by Satyr on February 27, 2017, 03:11:51 pm »
Never said you cannot comment on what you cannot change. For my comment related to me not wasting energy on what I cannot change
You can comment on anything you like. Regardless of whether or not you can change it. I have no intention of imposing any restriction on
your freedom of speech or anyone elses for that matter. Speak away and say what ever you want. I am not offended by anything you say
Very open minded of you to say./
it is worth tolerating the posting in the center this forums has established as its norm forcing you to appropriately, lean left. 

I'm sure that things we cannot change cannot be included into any theory which may include the things we can change.
For the moment I am, happy you can humour me, in your open mindedness, and disagree without having to say more. .


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Sometimes I even agree with you.
Was it with my positions of the smelliness of flatulence?
That's up your alley, so to speak.
Way up there.



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You should never have been banned from ILP and I have said this before. But it happened and there is
nothing anyone can do about it and so carping on about it is a total waste of time.
And we cannot use them as an example of a theory's validity, because that would be obsessing.
We should simply gain nothing from the inevitability of it all.

Like when i say i hate turds.
Nothing I can do about their disgusting smell, and nothing to use them for....fertilizer?
Now that's a novel idea.

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Trixie starts loads of rubbish threads as you know very
well. But why not take it up with her if it bothers you that much. I am only responsible for what I write. Not for what everyone else writes
I know....she's an exception to you, as being the rule.
Your last thread was particularly fascinating.
I'm sure that with the way you presented it, an with the quality of minds there, many good insights will come about.
I'm hoping Saint James and Ecmandu, will grace you with their unique sanity.
If they do not, start another titled...
Some crap about Evolution, AGAIN...in your open-minded unprejudiced way.

You, dear friend, are a twat.
Spelled, T....U...R...D.
Now we both found a new toilet.

Flush away.
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Pan Philosophy Debates / Re: Philosopher & Philosophy
« Last post by surreptitious57 on February 27, 2017, 02:58:06 pm »
Never said you cannot comment on what you cannot change. For my comment related to me not wasting energy on what I cannot change
You can comment on anything you like. Regardless of whether or not you can change it. I have no intention of imposing any restriction on
your freedom of speech or anyone elses for that matter. Speak away and say what ever you want. I am not offended by anything you say
Sometimes I even agree with you. You should never have been banned from ILP and I have said this before. But it happened and there is
nothing anyone can do about it and so carping on about it is a total waste of time. Trixie starts loads of rubbish threads as you know very
well. But why not take it up with her if it bothers you that much. I am only responsible for what I write. Not for what everyone else writes
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Pan Philosophy Debates / Re: Philosopher & Philosophy
« Last post by Satyr on February 27, 2017, 01:16:20 pm »
All your anger towards those you label retards and imbeciles is entirely pointless unless you can do something about it which is why I simply focus
on what I can change not what I cannot.
When a mind like yours, a 52 year-old one at that, begins to use emotion, such as anger, love, hate, as an accusation, after he has declared himself open-minded because he's rational, evidence based, logical, I know he is full of ****.
Call me a Nazi...and be done with it.

As for this other excuse...that, somehow, for no reason at all but an emotional one, we cannot comment on anything we cannot change...it is a very Modern mindset.
So, let's sweep it under the carpet, pretend its not there, and then let us build sandcastles on what we do not take into consideration, because we cannot change it.
Do not speak of mortality...nothing can be done about it.
This 'progressive" psychosis, that we can only speak of things we can change, or convert all into something that can be changed, is what makes imbeciles call race and sex a social construct.
Congratulations, you showed me the depth of your logic, evidence, and reasoning...52 **** years and THAT is what you have?
Pitiful
But you disagree, right?
And that's an argument in itself, no?
Let's not speak of your inferior mind, because you cannot change it, but only endure it...and I must, as well, because I canto change it either.
 ;D

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I work within the parameter of what is possible not what is desirable.
Ah, heightening pleasure...another Hedonist.
Well, fabulous of you to come out of the closet.
Not that I had not already seen you hiding in there.
So, my positions can be rationally dismissed on the grounds that they decrease pleasure.
Why not?
As good an excuse as any, if not for the other fact that you are a 52 year old bloody MAN!!!

See how I used 'bloody' there inspired by your open minded girlish methods?

The aesthetic of this forum are atrocious...and yet I still post here.
Go figure.
Not a woman.
I may use it s an excuse one day...not any time soon, though.

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I cannot change the world only my
self and so that is what I focus on. How exactly are you planning to get the retards and imbeciles to come round to your way of thinking?
How you presume.
Is that my intent?
I've actually explained my intent...but the KT aesthetics prevented you from reading them.
No problem, I'll file you under I....L....P.

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For you
do not appear to have had much success so far. Do you not find it all so mentally draining and are you planning on doing it until the day you die?
In fact I've had a lot of success...but you place your motives in place of those you cannot understand.
So, empathy, for you, is always sympathy...you project your simplicity on what is complex, and you assume to understand it...and then you dismiss it as insulting your aesthetic cultivation.
Coward.
Listen, I have no problem with you using your girlish methods of discredit me, because you lack the reasoning, the mind, to challenge them....and I hope you will also give me the pleasure of exposing you as what you are.
Why do you think the morons banned me for life, and the mere mention of Satyr gives them hives....whereas threatening, insane members, breakers of rules, like the Turd, left on principle, but can easily go back?

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I do not take pride in being open minded. I merely am. Nor did I choose ILP over KT either. Although they are completely different in scope I can see
benefits in both too.
Fence sitter.
So afraid to take a stand on anything, aren't you?
You punch holes so you fear being punctured.
Ha!!
Passive aggressive....no kiddin'.

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My allegiance is not so much to forums but to ideas. To critical thinking and intellectual rigour. KT may be more serious and less
juvenile but ILP has greater diversity so it is swings and roundabouts / apples and oranges. I try to take the best from each and ignore anything else
So the loyalty prize goes to all-inclusive insanity....quantity over quality, where even a moron can remain inconspicuous.
The idea you are open to is....more is better than less.
Herd psychology, as, you know who, said. 
I'm proud of you for coming out.

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Incidentally a bit odd you take me to task for not liking your aesthetics when you have a whole section devoted to beauty at KT.
I know...and so the fault is not in your understanding, but in my positions, right?
So, I cannot speak of cleanliness, and at the same time wallow in the mud with swine?
How delicate your palate is, girly.

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And something else
The  Dungeon wouldn't look out of place at ILP. In your attempt to be so different you might have overlooked the actual similarities between the two
I never said I was not inspired.
That's the other defensive stance...you are not unique.
But I never said I was.
I am inspired and I adapt what others do, to my own needs.

There's no such thing as uniqueness, girly.
All is a product of what preceded it.
Name any famous philosopher...all inspired by what came before.
Creativity is taking the present and combining it in a different way, it's not creating Something out of Nothing.
Very Christian mind you have.
I've actually said that my positions are older than old, and that I'm surprised cowards and imbeciles reject what is obvious.....and made it my life's mission to find, and diagnose the causes of this dis-ease.
I've said this on KT: only in this age of decay could a man, like me, who speaks so honestly and directly and simply, be considered controversial, and interesting because of it.

I do not invent, I am un-covering, re-vealing, what has been buried.
I am pointing to what is right in front of your eyes.

Dungeon was more a way of keeping the forum clean, so that it does not become like ILP....full of ****. 
When, let's say men gather to speak, having children and women running around naked, will deteriorate the event into an ****, or kindergarten.
That's the only reason we quarantine, idiots like cAnus, and we rarely ban them.
We make an exception with the vulgar who repeatedly misuse our trust in them.
 Apes throwing their feces around is no place to have a pleasant dinner and conversation.
Where I come from we keep animals and pets outside the home. 
We don't let them jump around the cookware and dirty our clean linen.
We have standards.....doesn't mean we do not go out, once in a while, to wrestle with the animals in the dirt..
Se, we build walls to keep the manimals outside, and a bath and clean pots and linen inside. That's why we build walls, with windows and doors.
High, thick walls. 
Visitors have to knock and ask permission to enter. They don't just walk in and start shitting on the floors.


By the way...there's a wonderful thread in the philosophy section of your aesthetically pleasing ILP, about 'why farts smell bad'....I'm sure you can have an open-minded debate, in keeping with your aesthetic sensitivities there.
Take a stand on fart smells.
What are the deeper philosophical implications?
Very unique, and original, thread. 
A 52 year old 'man' must have smelled a lot of farts....physical and mental ones.
A connoisseur of flatulence.
Keep an open mind. Let the stink in.
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Pan Philosophy Debates / Re: Philosopher & Philosophy
« Last post by surreptitious57 on February 27, 2017, 12:43:53 pm »
All your anger towards those you label retards and imbeciles is entirely pointless unless you can do something about it which is why I simply focus
on what I can change not what I cannot. I work within the parameter of what is possible not what is desirable. I cannot change the world only my
self and so that is what I focus on. How exactly are you planning to get the retards and imbeciles to come round to your way of thinking? For you
do not appear to have had much success so far. Do you not find it all so mentally draining and are you planning on doing it until the day you die?

I do not take pride in being open minded. I merely am. Nor did I choose ILP over KT either. Although they are completely different in scope I can see
benefits in both too. My allegiance is not so much to forums but to ideas. To critical thinking and intellectual rigour. KT may be more serious and less
juvenile but ILP has greater diversity so it is swings and roundabouts / apples and oranges. I try to take the best from each and ignore anything else
Incidentally a bit odd you take me to task for not liking your aesthetics when you have a whole section devoted to beauty at KT. And something else
The  Dungeon wouldnt look out of place at ILP. In your attempt to be so different you might have overlooked the actual similarities between the two
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Pan Philosophy Debates / Re: Philosopher & Philosophy
« Last post by Satyr on February 27, 2017, 12:38:38 pm »
A mediocre mind confuses skepticism for creativity, and the ease with which it can rationalize objections to any theory as evidence of its rational quality.

In fact this is but a step.
It is easy to cynically dismiss any theory, and find many faults in it, and harder to create something that is superior to another's theory.

So, easy that a slightly above average mind can find pride in rejecting the childishness of Christianity, pride in being an atheist, just as an art critic feels superior to an artist because he can find flaws in his art.
Compensating for a lack of talent, the critic compensates by discovering faults in another's talent.
Moderns have made their cynical dismissal of all ideals a source of self-flattering, compensating egotism.
This is also part of nihilism: rejection of all, ridicule and deconstruction of everything, until the nil is reaffirmed.
Unable to create, using logic and reason, they deal in finding holes in another's theory, and consider this proof of their own superior reasoning.

Such hypocrites tend to avoid actually stating what they believe, fearing that their own convictions are not even more flawed than the ones they dismiss.
they masturbate by trying to find faults, holes in the other's positions, indirectly insinuating their own brilliance. 
 
The more clever ones never reveal their beliefs, but occasionally display them as being in agreement to whatever is popular, distinguishing themselves as being proponents of what is popular socially, or academically, or artistically, or philosophically...in all cases deferring to a group they then regurgitate the prevailing beliefs of.
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Pan Philosophy Debates / Re: Philosopher & Philosophy
« Last post by Satyr on February 27, 2017, 11:20:04 am »
I called it ANOTHER BLOODY NIHILISM THREAD simply because this is what it is. So merely a reference to the quantity
of threads on nihilism and nothing else. I actually have no idea how many. But the perception is that it is indeed many
I know your reasons.
I also know how you undermine it, exposing your own feelings.

That every other thread on nihilism was based on a false understanding of the concept, is for you a reason to discredit this new understanding...because you agree with them, and so you identity with nihilist, in relation to them.


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A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN

The older I get [ I am 52 ] the more open minded I have become. Slow and glacial like and so only aware of it after a certain amount of time has passed. But so
natural now that I no longer have to try. It is as effortless and subconscious as breathing. Listening to anyone and everyone however does not imply acceptance
or validation. Merely allowing you to have your say. No more no less. And so if for example you tell me 2 + 2 = 5 or the Earth is flat or Jesus rose from the dead
I'm 51...and the older I get the more intolerant of imbeciles I become, knowing that they affect me, even if I ignore them or pretend they are harmless retards.
you have no conception of what is at risk, and what is being lost, or what has already been lost, when we tolerate imbeciles and treat them as equals.
Your stoicism is a product of your sheltering...no matter what you are guaranteed rights, a roof, a respectable existence.
a pet, cares not what howls in the night.
It simply and calmly listens, safe and sound in its master's house, thinking it is so because it is brave.


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I will not regard them as truth statements because they are all false and demonstrably so too. I only accept as objectively true what actually is. Sometimes truth
statements cannot be determined either way. So an open mind is the default state. The degree to which one is or isnt open should be proportional to the validity
of the statement in question. Case in point : intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Zero evidence of any though entirely possible there is so am straight down
the middle on it. Entirely neutral.
How indifferent you remain to the innocuous. admirable trait.
I, personally, do not care if there's a monster in my closet.
I am so aloof...courageous I would say.

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Now as both an atheist and nihilist I see no evidence for God or gods. And less I ever do my position is that the only place they
do exist is in the minds of those who believe in them. I have no need of belief. A superfluous thing far as I am concerned. Although I do not deny it to others.
Very democratic...so independent you are from world.
You live and let live, a true noble man.


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My
tools however are more robust : proof / evidence / logic / reason. They re what I use to determine the value of truth statements. So yes. I am very open minded
And of what use do your tools have in a world where another can take a dump in a box and call it art, while you chisel away at the stone, trying to make a perfect copy of a horse?

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But only in giving you an opportunity to have your say. Not in agreeing with everything you say or indeed with anything you say. Subtle but important distinction
your stringency is admirable.
as you are one of them, i expected no agreement at all, only a hearing and a casual dismissal, in the form of a title, meant to ridicule because you cannot challenge.
proof / evidence / logic / reason has given way to insinuation, emotional appeal, indirect ridicule, intentional dismissal.

I am sure in your 52 year-old mind you remain open....to everything but what hurts your investments, like in your self-identifying pride in being open-minded. Willing to listen to what you've already rejected, with no reason, evidence, or argument, only a statement, for appearances sake, and to then pretend you are being objective, as you write out your title Another Damn Nihilist Thread.
You my friend, belong there.

The excuse concerning the aesthetics of KT, was so infantile it almost threw me for a minute.
I thought you were joking...but no you were actually trying to justify why you choose ILP over KT, and now vivarium.
Unable to face the real reason, as the evidence shows.
Your reasoning, nowhere in evidence, would be torn to shred on KT....and the colour scheme, the logistics, was how you reasoned your fear into an augment against it.

Good, thing, because I don't think your quality of mind would be respected for long by my friends on KT, nor would your girly tactics, despite being 52 fuckin' years OLD!!
See how I implied something with the insertion of "fuckin"?
But 'damn', and 'bloody', would have worked just as well.

What matters is that you told me you disagreed, and that is evidence, reason, logic, enough for you, and you can return to your next bloody thread on something facilitating and revealing, about you.
I've found none, but I know that it is immanent, as you are 52 years-old, so you must have something more interesting to say that what you have already presented.
Maybe Turd can teach you the fine art of insinuating, name-dropping, data vomiting, and power through association, I call google genius.
A bit  more impressive.
You stay open-minded and keep your evidence, and emotional reasoning, a secret. But do share your infinite excuses.

By the way, do you even know why 2+2 = 4 is a a conclusion that has already taken something for granted?
I know you don't get what I say about words and language, or symbols, but can you understand how 1+1 =2 must remain true to its own presumptions, and so be logical, as in not contradicting itself?
I doubt it.

Might start another thread titled...
ANOTHER STUPID RIDICULOUS THREAD ON SEMIOLOGY...you know just to remain true to your own presumptuous logic that you are open-minded.
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Pan Philosophy Debates / Re: Philosopher & Philosophy
« Last post by surreptitious57 on February 27, 2017, 10:22:44 am »
I called it ANOTHER BLOODY NIHILISM THREAD simply because this is what it is. So merely a reference to the quantity
of threads on nihilism and nothing else. I actually have no idea how many. But the perception is that it is indeed many


A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN

The older I get [ I am 52 ] the more open minded I have become. Slow and glacial like and so only aware of it after a certain amount of time has passed. But so
natural now that I no longer have to try. It is as effortless and subconscious as breathing. Listening to anyone and everyone however does not imply acceptance
or validation. Merely allowing you to have your say. No more no less. And so if for example you tell me 2 + 2 = 5 or the Earth is flat or Jesus rose from the dead
I will not regard them as truth statements because they are all false and demonstrably so too. I only accept as objectively true what actually is. Sometimes truth
statements cannot be determined either way. So an open mind is the default state. The degree to which one is or isnt open should be proportional to the validity
of the statement in question. Case in point : intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Zero evidence of any though entirely possible there is so am straight down
the middle on it. Entirely neutral. Now as both an atheist and nihilist I see no evidence for God or gods. And less I ever do my position is that the only place they
do exist is in the minds of those who believe in them. I have no need of belief. A superfluous thing far as I am concerned. Although I do not deny it to others. My
tools however are more robust : proof / evidence / logic / reason. They re what I use to determine the value of truth statements. So yes. I am very open minded
But only in giving you an opportunity to have your say. Not in agreeing with everything you say or indeed with anything you say. Subtle but important distinction   
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Pan Philosophy Debates / Re: Words
« Last post by Satyr on February 27, 2017, 09:28:59 am »
Osmosis

To (inter)act, affect and be affected.

οσμω = to push away, towards, into.
ωθώ = to push

And from that the word for smell
οσμή = the inter-relationship of sense organ with a particular phenomenon, via the medium of atmosphere.

The passing of data back and forth.
Exchange of energies, memories, in relation to memes.


In relation to metaphysics and how congruities of patterns (inter)acts, attracting/repelling, along the path-of-east-resistance, osmosis indicates this (inter)activity as a coincidental exchange of patterns.
When two congruities, such as particles, come into contact, (inter)act, their repulsion/attraction field of effect pushes and pulls particles to and from each other.
Sharing a similar pattern within their stable congruity, means that this shared pattern will be exchanges, relative to their respective aggregate energies, or the internal balance between the patterns, and the sum total force they project as their combined field of effect.

To add to this (inter)action we must add the metaphor for movement, speed, we call momentum
momentum acts as a multiplier, if we recall how speed means an increase of possibility, probability, relative to some phenomena.
If we adjust our conceptions we can now understand how a smaller congruity, a weaker aggregate of energies, can have a greater impact on a larger one, with the multiplier of momentum, which is the focus of this congruity.

Now we can understand how osmosis, or this (inter)action between stable congruities of patterns, is the rudimentary form of feeding and of memory; exchange of patterns, adding or subtracting the participating congruity's aggregates depending no their field of effect and their momentum relative to each other.
Memory is a form of consuming energies, due to (inter)action, and we call this experience.
This exchange of energies, if survived, results in an alteration in the organisms's internal balances, in turn changing its field of effect and its relative power - in other words how it relates to other.   

Psychology is the study of osmosis, between living organisms.
Each experience adding to the particular pattern that determined the path-of-least-resistance - we attract what we have experienced and accumulated and stored as memory.
This also explains species, and how social cooperative unities emerge and become stable.

Willfully taking the path-of-more-resistance, is a partial or complete rejection of memory, and what underlies Nihilism as a whole - the rejection of genetic memories/experiences.
Forgetfulness.   
Forgetfulness can be understood as the willful application of randomness as a method of detaching form past/nature, from what has been determined.
Although chaos occurs with no effort, no willing, required, forgetfulness is the controlled, selective, acceptance of randomness as a way of developing self.
This is what separates man from animal: the willful, intentional, taking of the path-of-more-resistance, and the selective and controlled acceptance of randomness as a method of breaking free from a determining past.
The human organism intentionally exposes itself to attractive/repulsive forces it does not know the impact of. It purposefully, enters into an exchange with more chaos, against its own nature, as the continuous, automatic, rejection of chaos, and of all order contrary to its own.
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