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Nihilism
« on: January 30, 2017, 08:06:20 am »
The old saying "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" must be modified to "Beware of Nihilists using words".

The symptomatology of Nihilism will follow.
It permeates what we call Western Culture, because it has been infected, thousands of years ago, by a mental virus, a memetic pathogen.
The pathogen infest the weakest of the weak, spreading throughout from these vulnerable spots.
It has been called by many names, but the most recent, modern, ones are: Liberalism, Feminism, Marxism, Secular Humanism, and straight out Nihilism.
Past monikers are: Christianity, Monism, Islam, Judaism...the last being the infection point where the virus came into contact with Indo-European, manifested as Hellenism/Pax Romana.    

We begin with a inversion of the current definition of Nihilism as the absence of meaning, purpose, morality.
All these being human constructs, noumena (abstractions), with no reference to anything but back to human abstractions.  
These words are used and abused, precisely because they are entirely human constructs.
There is nothing to limit their application.
With nothing apparent to refer to, they are "free" to describe whatever human abstraction man invents.
In the case of morality the word has been detached from its biological function, as a social behaviour enabling cooperative harmonious coexistence, and has been used as a substitute for the other human construct symbolized by the word "God".

What will follow is a brief, and helpfully concise description of this mental virus which has now become so ingrained in western minds that we can only call it Modern.

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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2017, 08:22:21 am »
Nihilism = the projection of noumenon, in the world of phenomenon, and their convenient and comforting confusion with the real.
Symbols of the real, ideas, ideals, placed as more real than the real.

The word "Nihilism" originally describes a world void of God, universal morality, absolute truth, wholeness, oneness, meaning, purpose...
As such it described the real cosmos and labels it nil, for lacking what is expected from it.
This defines the psychosis, the psychological attitude towards world, indicating a mind wanting to hide form what is lacking what it desires - a infant expecting a parent and upon realizing that none will come, when it cries, being so distressed as to fall into a coma to escape this reality.
A desire to fall into sleep, protecting an immature psychology from a world it refuses to accept, if it lacks what it most desperately desires - retardation of development.

The concept "nihilism" has been appropriated and integrated into the ideology of nihilism.

World void of god, meaning, purpose, etc. is 'positive', for the very simple reason that it makes life possible.
Outside of this self-serving judgment, reality has no innate value of positive/negative, since even to measure, to judge it, presupposes a conscious becoming relating to otherness, world, in an a antagonism - agon.

This antagonism is experienced, by such organisms as need/suffering, making nihilism a convenient and comforting ideology as it proposes a negation of world, as it is, with an absolute nil/one, converting the metaphors, the symbols, into literal forms.
The abstraction replaces the abstracted. 
 Subjectivity believes it controls the objective world, simply by denying it, and replacing it with its own noetic constructs, formulated into symbols/words.

Everything outside the subjective mind is denied, or dismissed as irrelevant.

This solipsistic detachment can only survive within a world it denies and dismisses if it is protected by an external, to it, will: State, Church, parent etc. or if it contradicts its own beliefs, principles, values, in other words if it lies to itself, and to others - this is what makes all nihilistic minds either sheltered, or hypocritical: saying one thing and doing another, or contradicting their own stated principles, or applying their "logic" selectively - sometimes appearances matter, other times, concerning human beings, they do not, or are too complex, or too vague, uncertain, superficial etc.

Nihilism exists as theory - as noetic mental models, using symbols/words to externalize itself. it has no other utility no contact with reality, making it entirely codependent.
hypocrisy is how this codependency manifests as cooperation, tolerance, self-repression, word manipulation, politics, emotional reasoning etc.



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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2017, 08:51:21 am »
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Detachment of symbols, metaphors, words from appearances, the real, the phenomenon.
The practice involves the maintenance of words, representing noetic abstractions, in a state of perpetual limbo.
The mind disconnects the symbol from its reference point, and redirects it back to the mind, which is then shared (hive mind) as a community of the like-minded.
Since a reference point is required to substitutes for the one missing, the mind reconnects the abstraction to an emotion, a lower cognitive process, and then supports its word using animal instinctual criteria, then determining it as involved in higher cognition, or it is enlightened, superior, awakened.

This condition of self-referential looping, is considered an ascent, as it is a breaking away from reality, the world, towards the stratosphere of noetic constructs, no longer constricted by the base, earthly, the phenomenon, the apparent - the world.
The effect is that of expansion, of liberation, an emotional (re)action to the detachment, even if noetically, from an indifferent, harsh, threatening, uncertain world of (inter)activity.
This is called Subjectivity.
It is also given many different other labels, which will be explained in another entry.


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Multiplicity as evidence of freedom.

The modern mind correctly assumes that having more options, is a sign of freedom, but it associates a detachment from reality, which limits options, as the epitome of liberation.
The effect is one of multiplicity, void of content.
Whereas minds referring to reality, are limited by this reality which is not in their wilful control, the Nihilist experiences no such constraint.

It can now use words in almost any way he wants, only limited by the central Scripture of words, the Dictionary, and this because his condition is reliant of community which he must remain within and in constant contact with.
His noetic constructs becomes increasingly fantastic, each generation adding more to the mix.

Because realists cannot and will not detach from reality they presume a conspiracy, or an illness, because for them remaining in agreement with another, for any period of time, is a sign of being brainwashed, given the multiplicity of options available to a mind that is no longer attached to reality, and dismisses it as illusion.
For the Nihilist words are games, toys, to be used and then abandoned for others.
The idea of being limited in this is authoritarian, brutal, enslaving.
Change is how the Nihilist experiences its own detachment form reality, only this time it is not forced by an external world, but is governed by internal whims, tastes, sensations, emotions.

The result in a constantly shifting mix of "individuals" with no sense of self, and no world to discipline them, being easily manipulated by clever minds that can now use emotions and their addiction to remaining free form anything real, to direct their activities.


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Uninhibited by anything external, anything outside human brains, the Nihilist uses words with he creativity of a child playing with toys.
It's only limit is imposed by a vague Dictionary definition.

This is why abstractions associates with phenomena can be freed from space/time and placed in any sequence, in any place, with the only guiding principle being emotion, or gratification.
The word's meaning is entirely emotive.
It is judged and justified using pleasure/pain criteria, and in relation to a positive emotion: such as love, compassion, hope, freedom, God, immortality etc.

"What feels right is right", as it were, replacing the "might is right" now used as an example of a subjective mind, like their own, imposing their constructs upon others.
At this stage reality has been completely forgotten.
The one challenging their subjective delusions, is automatically someone imposing his subjectivity upon them - authoritarian.
The rule being that the only limiting factor is a Dictionary (or some other word based Scripture, such as Bible, Koran etc.) and the subjectivity of the other.
It is implied that in a community of detached delusional minds the only moral rule is that you do not disturb the other's delusion, and he will not disturb yours.
Debate, conflict is accepted, within limits, but nothing that threatens any subjective delusion will be tolerated.
The practice of debate is only meant to strengthen the bonds that govern this community of detachment, and to reaffirm the "right" to remain as delusional as you wish, if you do not bother the other.
No matter how ridiculous the other's subjectivity is the Nihilist will refrain from exposing his delusion as weak, because this sets him up to be exposed in turn.
Ergo multiplicity is sustained as a symbol of free-thinking - independence meaning free from reality, which most often refers to a determining, immutable past.

The opportunity is taken for the mind to strengthen the detachment from reality, by covering up holes in his mental constructs.


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In the either/or dichotomy of simplistic binary logic, what even animals are capable of, the dilemmas arise, and the solutions presents themselves as emotional appeals, and moral options.

The Nihilist taking the only thing he can understand, his own absolutes, his own emotions, and simplicity as a guiding light, assumes that whenever a superior probability is presented it is an expression of an absolute certainty, or of an omniscient truth.

This is also a defensive method, dismissing all superior perspectives on the ground that they are not absolute truths, or accusing them of proposing an absolute truth which is indefensible.
Now their own simplicity can hide behind the common ground of imperfection, for that which is not perfect must be equal.
Either/Or.
With no omniscience, no God, all is relative.
Degrees vanish in relation to a fluctuating world.
All is either/or, and since what is left is nil, then some settle for nil, while the majority, of the more hypocritical kind of Nihilist, settle for emotional justifications - in the absence of absolute knowledge, the deciding factor are emotional.,
Here, because emotions are shared, common, base, all find congruence in the lowest-common-denominator or they are monsters with evil intents.


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Words are central to the nihilist's psychology.
They are the vehicles of his escape from the base, for him, the earthly, the worldly, the real.
They are sacred, divine, magical, because they do not have to refer to anything outside his own mind, or the minds of those with whom he shares a vocabulary and an agenda.

With words he can dismiss the past/nature, he can reinvent humanity, baptise himself by another term, find justice in an an cruel world, find confidence through association - a community of shared linguistics.

The nihilists will detach the word from its reference point or he will slander words altogether, denying them relevance for all minds, for all time.
He will have no trouble comprehending nihilists like himself, but then will feign an inability to comprehend words when they are attaching to the apparent.   

Words are the noetic floating systems he uses to stay adrift in the tumultuous seas of (inter)activity...up there on the surface, hoping no wave will drown him, because he never learned to swim, but only learned how to float...and even floating is given to him, as words with no depth, no substance, no connection to the abyss.


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It is because the nihilist is a self-deluded hypocrite, that he can only comprehend those that challenge his delusions as such.
It is because he dreams of changing the world, if not to escape it, that he can only comprehend others as wishing to change reality, to challenge what is, and not only as those who wish to confront human lies, and to challenge nihilism.

It is because the nihilist is part of a cult of shared self-hate, world-hatred, expressed for the reason already given, in multiple ways, that he can only comprehend those who see reality as it is, as cult members.
It is because he is ill, and feels insecure, and lost, that he can only relate to others on that level.

The nihilist abhors value judgement, in relation to a goal, an object/objective, not of his kind.
This is why he must reduce the objective to an emotion, an appeal to a shared weakness.
God, as universal Truth/love, is shape-shifted to Objective Morality, with good/bad, standing in for God/Satan.
All must refer to this emotional human construct.
To go outside of it, into objectivity, is to place this coward in unknown waters - which must be given a name he can relate to.

Objectivity ceases to be about world, outside human words, hopes, emotions, and is returned back to the familiar territory of mind, noumenon, abstraction.
He can only relate to world through others, and this other is usually some famous figure. 


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Using others as supportive elements is another Nihilist tendency.
The quickness in referencing credentials, to schooling, trying to impress, or to imply that he knows what he is talking about because he refers to "great" minds, is a symptom of insecurity, because no matter what the Nihilist intuitively senses his own condition.

And so "intellectual discourse", or dialogue, becomes a posturing based on knowing, and on parroting others, and not about personal conceptions about a world all have access to.
The implied elitism, of being part of the few who have access to profound knowledge, contradicts their egalitarian, democratic ethos.
The insinuation is that if you are "trained" sufficiently, infused with the proper understanding of what others said, and told why they said it, in accordance with cultural norms, you can be respected.
The obsession with education, and with reciting knowledge, acquired through second-hand sources, is an indication of a personal failing - ether stupidity, or cowardice in seeing what is always in front of you; requiring no proxy.

Deferring to an authority, if not God then to some famous rich individual which becomes a shared icon, is a way of escaping the natural selection process.
When the mind cannot take responsibility for itself, and feels that it is not up to par, it seeks out a icon to hide behind and to find confidence in.
The proxy is also a potential scapegoat.

If this icon proves to be weak, then he is discarded, and so changing your mind about everything, indicates a reliance on others (power in association), and it also indicated poor judgement.


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Bragging, posturing, inflated egos while ego is denied...

The quickness in which a Modern Nihilist tells you, using words, what he wishes you to believe about him, indicates the reverse of the intended.
It is always the one who will name-drop, will brag about how much he gets laid, how much money he has, what schooling he has, how happy he is, whom he knows, that is the one who is desperate to hide his innate inferiority.

When stressed the fall-back defensive position symbolizes a retreat.
As always words, symbols, references to other minds, is how the Nihilist escapes, or tries to escape the reality of what he is, in relation to world.
Words, once more, come to the rescue, for he can claim whatever he wishes using words, which refer to nothing real, as in behaviour, (inter)action, appearance, apparent.

Using the word "happy" for example, implies what the individual wishes to plant into the other mind as a possibility.
Repeating the word reaffirms it, and the individual hopes the word will root itself in the others mind as a judgement about him.


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Considering the power words have for the Nihilist mind, an almost magical power, exposing him to reality and also offering him a way out, we can understand the love/hate relationship he feels towards them.

Sometimes wanting to discredit them even as tools, and at other times worship them as saviours.
Words are all a nihilist has, since he no longer wants, or cannot, see, and hear, and feel the world directly, but only experience it through proxies.
Because all is via a proxy, all must be increased in volume in sensation, to make him feel something vicariously.
He sacrifices pleasure, at times, just to avoid pain.
Words have the power to make or break him, because he is completely given over to their power.
The magical escape also makes him vulnerable to manipulation, by those who understand what words are: tools.
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2017, 08:51:42 am »
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The central common them, shared by all nihilists, no matter what method, what words, they use, is a desire to detach from past/nature, and pretend that it no longer applies nor affects them in the present.

World-Hatred often exposing a self-hatred, a disappointment with self as it relates to others, and to the world, is what these nihilists share, no matter what multiplicity of methods they use to detach and discredit and dismiss.
This denouncement of sex, race, of nature, as the sum of all past nurturing, and the hyperinflation of the nurture, the social influence, exposes them as what they are.
The idea(l) that everything from sex (gender) to race, and from homosexuality (sexual mutation, dysfunction) to stupidity (learning disorder), are socially produced is part of this idea that all that nature has rendered can be corrected by the interventions of man - and this will not produce a need for further interventions to deal with the collateral effects of the previous ones.

A highly romantic idea(l).

This is sometimes accompanied with a cynical fatalism as in "It will all turn out for the better", or "It's all part of a bigger plan" abandonment to human consults.
The inability to differentiate natural from artificial where world of man is confused for the world itself.
Confusion between the mathematical/geometric method of human cognition with a universal plan, a hidden logic, a reason.
Fatalism as in the faith in this belief, and how it is directed by some underlying will, some reason, some consciousness, some order.


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Confusion between world of man and world itself, where one is but a part of the other, is what underlies this cocooning, matrix-like, subjectivity - this confidence ion words, numbers, symbols.
Responsibility is abandoned. The external other will take care, and all will become as it must.

Man intervenes upon natural processes, creates all sort of collateral effects, encases himself in a symbolic world of his own making, enslaves others to this reference point, and then dreams that in the end nature will clean things up.

no integrity, no honour, no accountability.
The motive here is living a life in ignorant bliss, and the future can take care of itself.
disconnecting from past, tradition, inheritance, is what creates this me-me, individuality.
a shallow birth to death identity, earmarked by consuming, pleasuring; **** of mind and body.

What do lies matter when you die and you hold yourself accountable to nothing and nobody?
All that matters is fooling as many who are alive along with you, as possible : pride of the degenerate.

Eat, drink, ****, pleasure yourself in any which way, consume and be consumed, use any orifice for any deed, and then die knowing you were not judged and could not be judged by anyone, at any time, for any reason.
Nobody knew you, or could ever understand your complexity.


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One of the nihilist's favourite lies is how complex humanity is, and in particular how complex he is.
He may think all is knowable, but this all never includes him.
He may claim to know a dog better than it knows itself but this never applies to him, in relation to a higher mind.

He cannot be accurately understood, valued, known, unless he tells you himself.
He is true to his own word, because words are magical, mystical and he controls them.
Nobody can judge him, because there is no standard which applies to him...all being subjective standards, he thinks.
No matter what he does, how he behaves, what choices he makes, nothing matters, and all is correctable.
Nothing is determined by the immutable past, forever condemning him to repeat these behaviours, and choices.

He is his own standard.
This is the basic principle of nihilism, with only the golden Rule, the social contract, as the limit.
All is morally maintained.
A Christian threat/promise.

It bleeds over to feminism and the idea that females are complicated, incomprehensible to men....they exists on another plain, a different planet.
this is how female nihilists, modern women, comfort themselves when they behave in contradiction to their social memetic norms, and in accordance to their natural instinctual proclivities.

Why do they change their minds constantly, why do they contradict their words with their actions, why do they do the things they do...nobody knows, nobody can know, they are genius, they are governed by a mysterious logic.


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Victim psychology is the emotional string binding all nihilists into one cohesive group.
There are many shared identifiers, masked as multiplicity and the many ways the real is avoided and escaped, and victim psychology is one of the central themes in their mindset.

First, they are victims of chance, of the world, born as this sex, or that race, born in this situation and that circumstance, born of a past that they do not like nor feel proud of.
If not of the world then they are victim of another, a will outside themselves.
And for this reason, all who expose them to a world that challenges their delusions is the v one victimizing them.
Because all is subjective, in their minds, even evil, immorality, the indifferent unjust world, is also a subjective construct, and they the victim of an evil mind.


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Nihilism or any degree of it, is only viable when there is a protective umbrella, a cocooning will, to protect it from the repercussions of denying, ignoring, dismissing reality.
The natural consequence of any level of detachment from reality is death, or some severe cost.

The only way it can persist and multiply, is because there is an ulterior motive for preserving it.
The only ulterior motive is because of Nihilism delusion and its vulnerability and dependence upon others, to maintain itself.
It is a mental virus propagated and maintained through weakness, dependence, inferiority...which is the majority vote.

The "Might is Right" is exposed as belong "Right is Might" and those seeing clearly honestly, have an advantage over those that hide, forget, deny, reject a world they cannot escape.
As always, nihilism inverts concepts.
It presumes that it is because some subjective mind says so that it is subjugated to a world being exposed by such a mind.
It presumes that only hypnosis, trickery, rhetoric, is at play, because for it only words have substance and are real.

It confuses success, dominance, based on clarity, honesty, objectivity, for a imposition of subjectivity, because it requires a mind to direct it, to tell it, to lead it.
He who sees the world as it is, and not as he wishes it were, will succeed within it.
He who is blind to it will accuse the first of being a manipulator, because he denies objectivity so he can only understand dominance subjectively.
In the nihilist's mind the individual decides what is objective, and so objectivity for it is a subjective construct.

It cannot understand a world outside human opinions, determining if these opinions are more, or less accurate.


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One of the first presumptions of the nihilist, one based on all that has already been mentioned, is that all deserves respect, or all is worthy of consideration.
It's logic follows from the either/or foundation - no absolute means all is ignorant, in equal degree, because there is no objective way to determine what is more objective and what is less so - no hierarchies.

The absolute serves two functions: 1] it provides an external logos, an authority, to subjugate all subjectivities to - equality nuder a one God, a one specialist, a one mind, and 2] in the absence of said absolute external source of authority all are uniformly ignorant, the negative becoming a unifying negative.

No other way to decide is ever explored and accepted.
This is why objective reality must be ridiculed or converted into something they can dismiss as subjective or as a human construct.
Essentially, no matter what you say it is to be taken seriously or as seriously as anything anybody says, and this is most effective when what is said is about something the Nihilist feels insecure about, such as the injustice and cruelty of nature, or the immutability of the past.
to not abide by this parity of deservedness is an aggressive act.
The only deciding factor is majority vote, or some popularly accepted authority figure, which has ceased to be the god-head.
In other word, only via a proxy mind, is the subjective evaluated as superior-inferior, since the objective world cannot be evaluated directly, without discovering how indifferent to subjective interpretation and cruel, unforgiving, it is.

Basic things like the evolutionary function of the orifices, and of the sex organs, and how appearances indicate essence, are dismissed on the grounds that no authority has validated this, and there is no real absolute way to determine what is most probable.
In other words, the nihilist chooses to ignore his own sense if this protects him from a disturbing perception.

The matter of complexity enters the scene when the mounting evidence tilts the balance in a direction which the Nihilists does not like.
Now all is too complex to decide.
This is particularly so when it comes to humans.
Nihilist logic indicates that if there is no absolute certainty then all possibilities are equally valid, escaping the obvious.
Once more, more probable versus less probable is dismissed in favour of parity through shared ignorance, or using the negative as an argument for the positive.
Christians claim that in the absence of no evidence disproving their God then all possibilities are open, which then gives credence to the emotional angle, turning it into the decisive component.


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The nihilist contains his thinking within cultural and social realities. He cannot explore further back, discovering from where memes emerge, and how genes manifest as memes, then expressed as principles, ideals, morals, world-views.

For modern all must be the product of a reason, a will, a human motive, and nothing pre-existed the emergence of social and economic systems. This is also part of the inversion. Where memes emerge from genes, in their convoluted minds, the reverse is the case.
All genetics is the products of memes, of socio-economic artifices, and human interventions.
Ergo all is noetic, as in founded on human prejudices, requiring an external god, authority, to validate them.
Millions of years of evolution ignored for the last 2-3 thousands years of human culture.
Therefore, for nihilist’s gender is a human fabrication, having no connection to sexual roles, as these evolved to facilitate reproduction.
This connects to the logic that all orifices are human playthings to be used in whatever way the individual wishes, having to predetermined genetic function and reason for evolving.
And if gender is a human artifice, a social construct, then so is sex, and why not race, and appearance in general. Now that man can intervene technologically, with techniques, upon the manifestation of thousands of years of evolution, covering them up, nothing is except from human covering-up and correcting.
And when such a mind, raised in sheltering environment, is never made to face the consequences of his own stupidity, he becomes cocky, dismissing suffering, need, war, violence, all that troubles and confronts his ideal world, his desirable reality.
He then accuses others of wanting to change the world, when he's already done so, and is now attempting to complete the task by replacing reality with human artifices.
Unable to complete the task he suffers from the pains of an evil world contradicting his naive premises.
Then the dilemma arises.


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The Nihilist despises every attempt to connect words, to appearances, particularly when dealing with humans.
The attempt itself is ridiculed, because he denies the existence of an objective world which would connect the subjective via a symbol a word.
For instance, gender becomes entirely a human construct, and has no reference to anything outside human brains, and human social conventions.
The discipline of philosophy is about referencing other minds, essentially a discussion about philosophy, and not the world itself, which is rejected as being accessible or approachable.
Also the word "truth" referring to a more accurate description of the real is made into an entirely subjective absolute that can only be imposed and accepted on faith.
To connect the symbol, the abstraction, to a source, the noumenon to the phenomenon, would take away their central method of escape.
First comes the word, and it is the alpha and the omega.
The word is no longer a tool for dealing with the world but a toy, a ploy, a way of dismissing the world by reattaching the symbol the abstraction back to other noetic artifices.
The mission for the nihilist is to retain the word as an abstraction, a human construct, with no reference to anything outside human minds, because only then can he claim that gender, race, as social inventions, and truth, if it is not absolute, is untrue, and so a democratic decision is required, and only then can male/female cease to have any meaning outside social fashions, and only then can the concept "human" be stripped of its original meaning and become a mystical, magical, idea(l), embracing and saving all who are included within its bosom.
The word "philosophy" is of particular interest for us, because its objective has ceased to be clarity about world, or objectivity, which can then result in wisdom, clarity, a useful application, but it has become a discussion about philosophy - philosophy is talk about philosophy, or philosophers, as the subjective mind can only recognize other subjective minds.
As such, any perspective that challenges this delusion is considered aggressive, or based on purely subjective criteria, such as "I say so".
The idea that an opinion, expressing a perspective, is more or less accurate, more or less objective, based on the apparent, the phenomenon, and the indifferent to all subjective perspectives, world of (inter)activity is dismissed so as to maintain the all is subjective universe.
Even the word "world" has come to refer to the human world, and in relation to human constructs.
World now means humanity, and humanity means world. Not humanity as a species, a pattern, within the world, by humanity AS the world.
Gender being now explained as entirely a human artifice, but nothing else, such as morality, or love, or compassion.
Nihilists are selective as to which words are mystical, profound abstractions and which are evil abstractions easily rejected from human discourse.
Words like love, empathy, respect, sex, race, are not permitted to be connected to anything but back to human noumena.
Empiricism has a limit.

A cult of victim of weakness.


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An interesting by-product of all of this comes about in time.
The Nihilist begins to believe that denouncing the one who exposes them to an objective world, or a subjective interpretation of world which is more lucid, can protect him from what is being described.
This would be like ridiculing the one who claims death is the end and there is no afterlife because this will ensure an afterlife.
It agrees with the notion that all it takes to change the world is to change your mind.

The belief rest on all that has been mentioned, and it has faith in the assumption that if what is being said about the objective world is rejected, ignored, dismissed, that this is an escape from what was being described.
Kill the messenger and the message is dead, but what if the message was accurate?
Have they dealt with reality by slandering the one who exposes them to it?
Sheltering ensures that the immediate effects of being wrong are never experienced as severely, because of the cocooning within humanity, these nihilists fight to preserve, for good reason.
Only within the bosom of a multiplicity of like-minded individuals can the singular person escape the costs and risks of being wrong.
We call this the social safety net.
Every careless, stupid choice, is protected from its own stupidity, propagating the delusion that all perspectives, superior/inferior, are equal, or that the consequences are so minimal as to make the inferior mind arrogant.
Like when a teenager lives under his parent's roof and because he has it easy begins to believe he deserves it, and that it is because of his qualities.
How many times have you heard a female say she intimidates men?
She confuses fear of the institution that is protecting her for fear of her, because of her spirit, her mind etc.

Consider the arrogance of a simpleton who has memorized a few word, references, data, deferring to famous figures or obscure ones to imply a unique understanding, believing that this is philosophy.
This is like an art critique, an art historian, confusing his knowledge for artistry, and including himself amongst the artists he knows by name.
 

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The importance of words for the nihilist is evident in his desperation to use them to insinuate what he cannot display.
He is quick to accuse the other of what he is most guilty of, he brags, and declares himself victor, trying to implant, with words, what he fears he cannot with deeds.

He never says anything clearly and honestly.
He is always insinuating, laying down an escape route as he slowly creeps forward with words.
He never takes a position. He is always flattering, fawning, implying this and that, at the same time, remaining aloof, and imprecise so that he can never be exposed without him having a plausible deniability.
It is why he talks through proxies.
He is always of two-minds, or more, uncertain sceptical to a cynical degree, insecure and desperate to not lose face.

Humour is how he evades the discomfort of his nature.
A quick, stress releasing, evasion.
He is always potentially joking, or is he being serious?
Depends on the reaction of the other.
He is always joking, or is he?
Nothing is direct and honest about him. He is a hypocrite and a lair, protecting a weak, fragile ego, from the devastating determinations of nature.

This he calls his complexity.
Nobody can know him can ever see him - he alludes the experts, he mesmerizer all.
He is a mystery wrapped in an enigma, sprinkled with fairy dust.
No category can define him.
Words are toys, and he plays.
The objective is childish escape from the real.
His entire life is a testament to the devastation of this adolescent method.
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2017, 08:55:52 am »
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When the nihilist speaks he speaks about noumena, abstractions, that only exist in human minds, such as equality, justice, morality, fairness, similarity, one/nil, whole, God and so on.
For these concepts thee is no external reference.
They exist through sharing, memetic propagation, and are maintained through cultural rules, ideals, traditions, common value standards.

This is why he presumes that all talk about an objective world as outside and indifferent to these human constructs, that what is being discussed in another abstraction with no external reference.
It is because he bases his delusions on "I say so" then supported in "We say so" that he assumes that all perspectives are a declarative "I, or we, say so".
The difference between the two, in his mind, the only difference, is popularity. The quantitative difference in the "we" determines which "we" is validated, and all other standards, particularly those independent from quantitative standards, are to be discounted as evil, or authoritarian.
In such a case, the existence or not of Allah is entirely dependent no how many can be converted to Islam, and whether a child born with mental/physical dysfunctions is to be considered good or bad is a matter of popular support.
This is why he desperately seeks communal approval and he strives to impress the majority, thinking that this has an effect on what is real.

This is why connecting the abstractions that can be connected to phenomena, and ignoring those that only have a reference back to other noetic constructs, causes him distress.
He loses control over good/bad, and their manipulation using emotional techniques.

This is the Bottom-Up thinking which he contradicts with a Top-Down inversion, claiming that both are the same.
From the vantage point of one who is interested in approaching the objective, and avoiding the corruption of subjectivity, as much as possible, all words, symbolizing abstraction, have to be connected to a world independent from all interpretations of it, and those abstractions (noumena) which cannot find such a reference point should be exposed as being pure noetic metaphors, referring back to human abstractions.
Who and what is superior in nature is never in doubt, it is only within Nihilistic social systems protecting weakness, where things become confusing, and are open for debate and verbal acrobatics, including evasion.
The Nihilist can never and will never define his words, or try to connect them to perceived phenomena, because it is precisely that he does not, training them as vague dictionary references with no connection to the real, where he feels independent, strong, clever....safe.
He remains elusive, sceptical, cynical, never taking a stand on anything, never wanting to be clear and direct, always feigning and evading and changing his angles,keeping open as many escape routes as possible.


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For the Nihilist, the modern, good/bad, positive/negative, can only have a subjective meaning.
It is only in relation to human needs, hopes, fears, emotions, that these terms have a meaning, in his mind.
But not in relation to an object/objective, because we also strives for a communal agreement, a universal good/bad, which is so because universe, world automatically means humanity.

Positive/Negative can never, and should never be defined independent from human needs.
And so all becomes a moral issue.
The words are disconnected from pragmatism, from a motive, a particular need, and universalized as in a shared human need, a shared human motive, a shared human idea(l) which is never clarified because this will expose its motives, its essence.
Remember, for him world=humanity. The shared good/bad is a Super-Subjective reality, independent of the objective world.
Within this shared subjective the rules of existence, can be altered with a political decision.
Killing can be good, and then later it can be bad.
Paedophilia can be bad today and later, years later, it may become good - see homosexuality.
Male/Female may have meaning yesterday and tomorrow they be debunked, redefined, dismissed.
Everything is malleable within the Super-Subjective or what I've called the SuperOrganic. More so if this SuperOrganic promoted Nihilism internally, to control through uniformity, and contradicts it externally.
All organisms, individuals, included are expected to toy the line and agree with the basic truths necessary to maintain internal harmony.
After evolution integrates the individual as a cell is integrated into an organic structure, the conception of world is dominated by SuperOrganic constructs. this was metaphorically displayed in the movie The Matrix.
For such a cell there is no world outside the organic hierarchies and relationships.
All is organic and all follows the rules the SuperOrganism enforces.
The only distinction within this paradigm is utility, as in more or less useful and more or less harmonious.

What the cell was before it was integrated no longer applies and in time is forgotten.
This is why past is always dismissed, forgotten, denied, and why all words can only refer to noetic artifices. There is no world outside the SuperOrganism within which the organism, the cell, finds power, comfort, utility, safety, meaning, purpose.
SuperOrganism is God, and if God is dead a new SuperOrganism must quickly replace Him.
The cell is unable to give itself meaning, purpose, direction - it entirely dependent, and can no longer function outside the SuperOrganic premises.
Defending the SuperOrganic rules, principles, order, is a matter of survival for it.

SuperOrganism = society, culture, socio-economic system - meme.
The genetic has been absorbed into the meme. It has surrendered will, identity, independence, for the sake of survival, and the advantages of synergy - power through association.
Notice that for the nihilist his well-being, his sense of self and his self-evaluation is always a product of other, as in majority, popularity, communal appreciation.

It's particular subjectivity is associated with the SuperSubjectivity.
The world outside, as in objective world independent from subjectivity altogether, is non-existent....and/or evil.


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The Nihilist reduces the topic, the issue, philosophy in general, down to the absurd and then dismisses it as absurd, so as to hide his own intent and his own absurdity.

He creates decay and then uses it to justify his own decay.
To put it more bluntly, he indulges in simplicity and stupidity, and then accuses that which he has reduced to this level of being nothing more than absurd and stupid.
To put it in yet another way, the Modern reduces all to word-games, and then denounces it as only word-play, including all attempts to connect the words being used to what is independent from words.

The cynical motive of the pseudo-intellectual, hedonistic, Modern: by all means hide inferiority.
Find the lowest-common-denominator and build a castle upon it, inviting all to settle down. 

Because when all is levelled down to a uniform stupidity all that remains is ****.


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Another example of Nihilistic inverted thinking...

The Modern variant of this mental dis-ease, confuses emoting, emotionally based reasoning, thinking infected with emotional appeals and considerations, with passion, and the passionate defence of objective reasoning.
In his pretentious psyche, to pretend you are aloof, and distant, and cynical, indicates a cold reasoning, which must, obviously, be accompanied with the benefit of the doubt towards every absurdity presented before him as deserving consideration, and respect.

This is almost as insane as their confusion of knowledge with understanding.
Most cannot tell the difference.
It is why they scavenge books and internet spaces for data to present as evidence of their intelligence and quality of mind.
It is also why amongst Modern education, or the correct kind of training, is synonymous with equalizing intelligence, and why credentials ans social status is so important when trying to impress them.
He has no other way of determining quality than quantity.
Without an external authority he is unable to say what is more reasonable and what is absurd.

Easily exploited sheeple.


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For the nihilist math is not another language, using abstractions. the most abstract language of all is not to be doubted, mostly because it produces techniques and technologies it considers positive.
Yet, he cannot define what one or nil are, nor point to a one or a nil.

It has no ability to comprehend the relationship between an abstraction (noumenon) and the real (phenomenon), or how a static symbol can adequately represent a fluctuating world.

All it knows is that experts, his replacement priests, use these symbols to produce magic.

How science might be directed through funding, when dealing with the socially touchy subjects, is not to be taken into consideration.
All it knows is that 1+1=2, always....when 1 is taken for granted.

Binary brains exporting their dualism imitating organic processes.
Self-referential logic, based on biological methods, replicating biological organs
None of this registers. .


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On the lower end of the Nihilistic spectrum we have the absolutists, the either/or fundamentalists with their binary logic and their dualistic certainties.

On the upper end we have the terminally sceptical, the unable to decide between either/or, preferring the continuous state of undecided procrastination.

The first, being the more infantile, live in a black/white world and they conveniently have decided that the truth, as they define it, is on their side - the universe has them as the central theme.
The second are eternally cynical so as to never take a stand.
Everything has its positives and its negatives and they are reluctant to say which is more on the positive side and which is on the negative side.
The concepts of positive/negative fitting conveniently to the previous group's good/evil, with humanity being the core, the balancing point for the entire cosmos.

The first are fanatics, and they quickly fall back to reciting the code, as they have learned it.
They identify with WE.
They are always safe within the collective, the herd, the big SueprOrganic Other, the Divine Self.
They accept responsibility through other.

The second are hypocrites, sometimes on this side, then on the other, never actually saying anything directly, clearly, succinctly, indubitably.
They are always on the side of ME, and being on that side, the easiest side to be on, they switch sides, they change their minds, they never expose themselves to the possibility of hurt, and ridicule, and shame.
They are always safe inside themselves.
They never accept responsibility for anything.
They are always unseen, able to escape detection, nobody has or can ever know them, unable to hold onto ideals not pertaining to their ego.
They consider themselves open-minded because they never decide, and are continuously open to suggestions, which they then de-construct to dismiss, in the event that things become too threatening.
They find pride in being liked by everyone, simply by agreeing with whatever they say.
This is clever, for them: to trick without detection, by telling the other exactly what he wants to hear.


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The Nihilist exists in a reality that only exists as a hypothetical future world, or some hidden world, or a Utopian world populated by ideal humans and ideal creatures with psychologies and behaviors not of this world.

It is the syndrome of Christianity, and Communism, two of the many offspring Nihilism gave birth to.
The christian and communist fails, (is a sinner, has not been educated/trained sufficiently yet, is unenlightened, has not received the divine light) but the ideal is perfect, meant for perfect creatures constructing a perfect reality.

Philosophy becomes a defense of this perfect Utopia against the evil forces of reality that disrupt its development.
Instead of being the discipline that explores and describes the world as honestly and clearly as possible so that then THEN, a human can chart a course, philosophy has become a infantile exploration of the fantastic, the hypothetical, the "what if"and the hidden underneath this brutality this hated by them, world.
As I noted before, the deal is that you will not disturb the delusions of the other and he will not disturb yours, enabling all to exist in their own personal reality.
THIS is what is called subjectivity and why it is so popular among them. This is why perspectivism is a Holy Grail for them, and why an Objective world, other than the one authorized experts offer them, cleaned of anything that may be not politically-correct, and insulting, is attacked as a fabrication.

Only an authorized expert is to be respected as a proxy between them and reality, not only telling them what they sense but what it means.
And my authorized what is meant is that he has been vetted as offering the right kind of analysis.
Many examples of scientists who have not repeated the shared myths and faced personal consequences are available to all.
No man would risk his career, and his family's well-being by saying anything honest about the holy trinity of Modernity: homosexuality, women, and race.
The first has been taken of the list of psychological dysfunctions where it stood for decades.
In a few decades transsexuals, perhaps even **** can hope for such generosity.


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The Nihilist says nothing outside the norm.
His ideas are common, simple, politically-correct, fashionable.
His courage is the product of his simplicity.
He can brag about speaking his mind openly because nothing he says diverts from the common, or contradicts the average.
He is dull.
Nothing is controversial about him.
Even his rebelliousness is a pop-cultural imitation.
He is a caricature, his personality retarded in a state of perpetual adolescence - forever young, naive, impressionable, seeking distractions, happiness, intimacy, a purpose, a way to be impressive to the many: marketable.

His public face is his private face, because he is a simpleton.
He has little depth to him.
The private self suppressed, and left to atrophy, for so long that it has practically vanished, only expressing itself in subtle ways, in dreams, in sexual fantasies, fetishes, in his insatiable need to brag, to stand apart, to be appreciated.

A brainwashed idiot has nothing to fear in a totalitarian regime.
He has never had a thought contrary to the shared paradigm.
A black sheep would accuse a wolf of cowardice because the wolf wears sheepskins hiding its true identity when among the white-wool sheep.


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The dependence of the Nihilist, the Modern, upon the herd, is expressed in his definition of nihilism, as a world lacking, meaning, purpose universal morality and in his devastating emotional reaction to the discovery that the world is like that.
With no God, no authority, to take away the burden of responsibility the Nihilist desperately seeks for a replacement otherness, a substitute absolute concept - from Judeo-Christian he "progresses" towards secular humanism.

The goal is to avoid the natural selection that would impose a personal cost/risk to his every choice.

Instead of "I think" he can only say "We think" or, ideally, "He thinks and I agree".

In nature the individual makes choices, and perceives the world (subjective), and then faces the costs and the potential benefits in relation to an fluctuating world of possibilities (objective), but the Modern Nihilist wishes to have another make the choice, the decision, and then spread the cost and the benefits evenly among those nuder his domination.
A sort of intellectual communism.
It is why when God has been reduced to a childish fantasy the Modern replaces the good/evil dualism this symbol represented with a moral/immoral dichotomy, and then demands that an other justify and define both for him, having already taken for granted the absolute good/evil, moral/immoral either/or absolutes.
In science the same concepts are represented by an even more abstract symbolism, a more vague language, mathematics.
Here good/evil, moral/immoral, become 1/0, and the magician, holding the deciphering translating power, is no longer the priest, but the expert.
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2017, 10:38:12 am »
Nihilism was not invented by anyone.
Nihilism is a psychological disposition towards existence, world, nature.
It is the product of an awakening to reality, building an anxiety in relation to the unknown, and one's place in a world of unknowns.

Nihilism is rooted in this anxiety, which can increase to reach a level we call fear.
This is why the accusation of 'fear' is the easiest to come out of the mouths of nihilists in relation to positions they cannot respond to, or challenge rationally.
It's the fear this exposure to a threatening possibility, projected upon the other, thusly getting rid of it, as a form of catharsis, and maintaining the illusion of purity, and it also accuses other, the unknown other, making him the representation of one's own worse nightmares. 
Race homosexuality, sex, are all sources of anxiety, and any positions that threatens the prevailing method of coping with this reality is accused of fear, and the emotional reaction of fear, which is hatred, and the physical expression of it which is violence: homophobia, misogyny, and the assertion of violence over other races.

Whenever the Nihilistic ideal of parity, uniformity, equality, freedom, is confronted the defensive fallback position is to accuse it of what the defensive one would feel and do, if he were to accept this position as 'true'.
Although no hatred towards women, no fear of homosexuals, and no violence against other races is incited, the Nihilists assumes it as a projection of his own anxieties.
Unable to separate self form the world, or the noumenon from the phenomenon, he confuses empathy for sympathy, and imagines how he would feel and be, and how he would react, if what is being said were actually so.
Christians do the same when confronted with the delusions of their own faith, and skeptics or atheists. They imagine how they would feel if it were accepted, by them, that there were no One, benevolent, caring, loving God, and they then assume that this is what motivates the other, or how the other feels.
They conclude, taking themselves as an example, immersing themselves in subjectivity, that the other is miserable, afraid, or hating of god, and that life, for them must be unlivable, a torture, because that is what it would be for them if god, as a crutch, were taken away form them.

Nihilism is the psychological expression of this awakening to a world lacking a God, a meaning, a purpose, a universal order and morality. It is a child awakening to a world minus its parents.

Judaism simply exploited this human reaction, and inverted its feelings, from hatred of world to love of all, from denial to acceptance, from uncertainty to faith, to absolute certainty, from anxiety to peace. 
The only reason it was hated was because those that invented the exploitation of this psychology, denied it to others.
Christianity, and then Islam, made it into a uni-versal salvation. They made it cosmopolitan, the first by selectively assimilating Hellenism into its dogma.
Hellenism via paideia, training, education, became salvation via education, training - Hellenic asceticism, as a means to an end, became Christian asceticism, as the end itself, the end projected in a beyond death more real Reality.
Hellenic metaphor expressing philosophical artistry, became literally the 'word of god', the oneness, substance, of existence; word as tool, became Word as GOD. 
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2017, 08:00:54 pm »
Another way to think of Nihilism is by first understanding what words, or symbols are.
Word = representation, or symbol referring to a noetic construct, called an abstraction.
The abstraction could be as simple, as primal, as a sensation, a feeling, an image, or more advanced such as a combination of the previous producing an automatic reaction we call an emotion, or it may be more sophisticated and be a concept, an amalgamation/combination of all the previous given an all encompassing, singular, symbol/word, we call an idea, the synthetic complexity of which we call a theory, or an idea(l).
The last may manifest in the form of a word referring to a combination of feelings, images, ideas given an abstract symbol, such as an numerical, or a linguistic symbol, or an image to represent it.

The degree to which these abstractions refer to something experienced, something perceived, determined the utility of the abstraction, and if it is applied it determines success and/or failure, measured by cost/benefit.
Expected cost, versus expected benefit, juxtaposed against actual cost/benefit impacting the organism directly.
It does not matter if the organism acknowledges, or is aware, of this. The cost/benefit requires no validation, no acceptance.
It is incumbent upon the mind to perceive this and adjust itself.
It is the organism that will suffer or enjoy the outcome.

Given this, we can now understand that symbols, which is what words/numbers are, connects the mind to the world, or to use my own favourite terms, the symbol connects the noumenon to the phenomenon.
This is the pragmatic application of words - words as tools, used in science, philosophy etc.

In Nihilism everything is inverted. 
This inversion is based on its primary inversion of expecting, no demanding, human concepts, human abstractions, such as God, Meaning, Purpose, Morality in the universal sense, be already in existence awaiting discovery. It's the expectation of a child, raised to expect a parent to come running every time it cries.
Nihilism is rooted in the primal, stage, in mammalian development - a form of stagnation of regression back to that infantile stage.

Now, the utility of symbols/words is also inverted.
Instead of connecting mind to world, or noumenon to phenomenon, it attempts to connect world to mind, or phenomenon to noumenon. this slight alteration creates the delusion that everything is subjective, or the psychosis of retardation, that expects the world to adjust to human abstractions, to obey human symbols/words/numbers.
This is why the Bible begins by stating, using words, that 'first came the world', rather than the act, given a word/symbol.
All paradoxes are the product of this confusion, mistaking words, and their application, for the actual phenomenon, the apparent.
The misuse of language is the foundation of Nihilistic delusion - a very seductive and comforting delusion.

Nihilism, the concept, is itself a Nihilistic inversion. 

This inversion makes Nihilists vulnerable to a world they deny, or reject, or misunderstand, and this, in turn, makes obsessed with dependencies, and always pro State, or pro any authority mitigating between them and the world that does not care what they think of it. 
Institutions that adjust the cost/benefits so they can continue living in their inverted delusions.
It also forces Nihilists to be liars and hypocrites, or schizophrenics, because they cannot actually live in accordance with their own inverted delusions.
They must, lies to themselves, compartmentalize, making certain their principles do not hinder their reasoning, from doing what must be done to survive, which inevitably means contradiction their own nihilistic inverted ideals. They enjoy this as paradox, the mystification of whatever they wish to cloud in a haze of ignorance, so their duplicity is not discovered, not only by others but, more importantly, by themselves. 
To discover this would break them psychologically, mentally, risking their survival, so the brain enforces strong defensive measures to prevent this form happening.
This is why you cannot reason with a Nihilist.
     
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2017, 05:43:32 am »
Gordian Knot
Nihilism: Paradoxes, Complexity and the Errors and Lies they are Founded upon

We are all familiar with the tale of the Gordian Knot presented to Alexander the Great as a means of avoiding bloodshed and violence, to prove himself worthy o a city's capitulation.

The knot is presented to Alexander as a conundrum, a physical paradox, a self-referential, complexity, fabricated not to be undone, but to perplex.
Implied, but not directly stated is the knot's unraveling - it must be untied, implies that it has been tied in that complex manner, which is a lie.
The knot has not been tied in a complicated way, it has been purposefully fabricated to be deny revelation, to deny being undone.
A noetic paradox founded on an implied lie, and on a mistake.  
Alexander's solution points to the relationship of self-referential, self-perpetuating linguistic, noetic paradoxes and the cutting violence of reality, of the phenomenon, he applies as sword upon rope.
Human mistakes and lies can be revealed and cut through by reality - the noumenon is destroyed by the phenomenon, even if it lies or has constructed a self-referential, looping fabrication.
The knot is complex if you become entangled in its human twines, and you are convinced by the lie that it can be undone.

Nihilism has also based its self-referential, noetic conundrums on lies, refusing reality, the violence of cutting through human fabrications, on moral grounds.
It presents itself as a complexity of self-referential fabrications that are meant to perplex and tie the mind down, enslaving him in their implied lies.
Contradiction exposes a concealed error, or a hypocrisy.
For Nihilists it serves the purpose of placing the lie in knots, so that it is never exposed.
world cannot lie, only a mind can do so. The mind deals with the contradiction exposing a mistake in its own reasoning, or a intentional lie by accusing the world of being complex, or un-ravelable.
Its own error it cannot acknowledge, for then it would be forced to look into its own motives and investments in time and energy, into the heart of its own self-referential lies.  
Instead it revels in the paradox it has manufactured, or adopted, as a comforting complexity, hiding a secret, unrevealed intentional error.

Nihilists do not want to untie the noetic knot in their own psychosis, they enjoy it as the mysterious, the mystical paradoxical lie, that enables them to escape detection, to be un-tied, and their city surrendered.
Paradox is how the error is converted to a 'truth', and the lie into an honest test of worthiness.
If you cannot untie the knot of their noetic conundrum, then you are unworthy of their surrender.
The lie is pleased by its own ruse. It is purposefully made to not be undone, because it has not been tied in an intricate manner, but purposefully fabricated to never be tied or untied.
This is the Nihilist's Paradox, concealing the mistake in their own judgments, and the underlying lie that binds it.
We are now speaking of the Gordian Knot in a metaphorical sense.
The knot, in question, is noetic, or ideological, abstract. What is purposefully complicates is what is concealed as a lie, which is presented as a paradox.
Contradiction is no longer an indication of a mistake, but now becomes part of the lie. It supports the lie with its mystification.
By accepting the lie's first premise, that it is complex and can be undone, you've made the first step towards being trapped by it.
Subjectivity pulls you into its self-referential, encompassing entanglements, offering you only one option, and that one option implies a lie.
What can unravel it all but an external force?
The noetic paradox, the mental conundrum is contradicted by the phenomenon, the (inter)active world, that cuts through its fabrications like a knife.
The knot need not be unraveled for the city to surrender, it has already surrendered in the form of the knot, and now seeks to postpone the inevitable, like humans believe that with words they can trick reality, and that by changing attitudes, they can alter the cosmos rather than themselves in relation to it.

Paradox, conundrum, linguistically fabricated complexity is how the cowardly, surrendering, Nihilist postpones the inevitability of world; how he entangles his self-referential linguistic motives with a starting lie, meant to mesmerize, to settle for a stalemate, to  procrastinate and reserve the 'right' for a later date that will never come.
Alexander is presented a paradox with one option...a moral one. The non-violent one - the reasonable one.
But this option is presented to him with an implied and not stated, lie, in the form of a challenge.

Is this not what Nihilists do with their linguistically based theologies and ideologies?
Do they not also present their self-referential fabrication in the form of a challenge, requiring a strong mind to unravel?
But it cannot, because the constructs, their mental fabrications, rely on a lie, which they entangle to hide it.

Consider the paradox of a benevolent, loving Christian God, and how he, such a caring deity, permits evil, and suffering?
A paradox.
Consider his monist singularity before the paradox of multiplicity.
A mysterious paradox.
Consider the lie that appearances do not matter delivered from the mouth of those who judge in that way daily.
A sin, a paradox.
Why does not the women declaring love as the solution to all evil, that all deserve, refuse to pick-up a bum, from the streets, and heal him with her loving lips, as he deserves to be?
Paradox.
Consider the modern myth concerning the mystery of the female psyche, and her confusing, to most, changes of heart, her words constantly contradicted by her deeds.
Paradox. Feminine mystique.
Consider the paradox of refusing to judge by appearances then judging by appearances in all cases, except a few unsettling ones.
Paradox, the 'complexity' of the human mind.  
Why are humans exempt from the rules we use to understand everything else, including other life?
Complexity, paradox of the human condition.
The lie is tied into a conveniently self-referential knot.  

How can a Nihilist evade accountability, the error in his own thinking but to allude to some unraveling complexity he can encompass with the convenient Paradox?
He need not reconsider, or find the error in his own thinking, but he can remain tied up in his convenient knot, justifying his enslavement to his ideals with the paradoxical.

Any philosophy can be made reasonable by strategically applying paradox to cover up its mistakes, and its lies.
Nihilism does not reveal but it conceals. It does not want to make things clear, but to retain them all in confusion and complexity, they complicate they do not simplify because only in human confusion and fabricated complexity is the lie conceals by a noetic knot.
The cosmos is complicated enough, and this produces anxiety in this who add to it a man-made complexity to hide within it their motives; their hopes, dreams, desires all meant to deal with this anxiety, this unresolved fear. 
Nihilists rely on mental Gordian Knots, on mental word-games, on linguistically produced paradoxes to remain safe within their city.  
But can they keep the world out forever?      
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2017, 03:54:30 pm »
Nihilism pure Meme

If we fully understand Nihilism, given the preceding analysis, we can recognize the psychological disposition as a purely noetic realm, selectively or completely detaching from reality if and when it is contradicted by it.
Nihilism is the disposition seeking a detachment form a limiting, determining, and threatening world.

To put it in a different context, it is a pure meme not only rejecting genetics, as past/nature, but also rejecting all appearances, what is made present, as the manifestation of this rejected past.
It is pure meme because although ti harvests/samples reality, to recombine them in ways that are pleasing, the meme has no reference to anything outside the mind.   
Meme = Culture - sum of all symbols (language), rules, traditions, ethics, that identify a particular human environment.A meme can be more, or less in harmony with the natural world, or the experienced world outside human environments.
If we are to risk an attempt at defining the concept of 'artificial' in relation to 'natural' so that it does not indicate what is non-existent then it would begin like this;;;
Artificial = The ambiguous point in space/time when the (inter)activities of the organism, its activities within the world (environment), begins to reflect back an effect that is superior than the environment it intervened upon.
Although all living organism intervene upon world with their activities only one has an impact to a degree where its activities within its environment begin to affect it more than the environment that preceded the activities, and that one organism is the homo sapient.
The consequences of these interventions may be beneficial but they are not without a cot, or collateral effects. These collateral effects come in the form of dis-ease, or pollution - material and genetic.
 
Imagine a different species under human care, being protected from natural processes, such as culling, allowed to reproduce indiscriminately.
The result would be a dis-eased population which would then require further interventions to return ti to health, which would add to the collateral effects, until the intervention snowballed into extinction.
At some point the human care=taker would lack the resources to intervene on what he made possible with his original intervention.
This is what human are doing to themselves - lowering the standards to integrate declining human quality, focusing energies, so that the overall decline is imperceptible, because specialization is focusing declining intelligence, or is compensated with synergy or the invention of technologies.
The tipping point has not yet been reached because humans cannot sufficiently intervene upon natural environments to create a self-contained human environment, but it is slowly getting to that point.   
With every advancement towards that point more and more resources are required to maintain it there, and more and more compensating rules and technologies must be invented. 

That aside, we can now define 'artificial' not as the 'unnatural' no more than 'weakness is the absolute lack of strength, but as a moment where a species is affected more by the collateral effects of its own actions, within environment, than the effects of the environment acted upon.
This is the idea(l) environment for Nihilism to flourish.

We can now describe Nihilism as a noumenon tending towards complete detachment from the world it emerged within, immersing itself within its subjectivity, its esoteric, noetic manmade uni-verse, surrounded by its own symbols, words/numbers.
Nihilism is 'free' because it is not limited by anything outside the human mind.
Nihilism is this slow detachment from reality, becoming more and more self-referential, solipsistic.
To accomplish this three things are necessary:
1- Specialization, dealing with reality in pieces, so as to not challenge the individual's own nihilistic ideals
2-  Schizophrenia, or compartmentalization as a necessary precondition for the 1st to be stable
3- Duplicity, as an outcrop of the second, as the hypocrisy to one's self, before it is directed towards other, which allows the individual to exist in his won 'reality' while dealing with what reality seeps through, suing excuses.

The third is what characterizes all Nihilists. This contradiction between their professed ideals, principles, and convictions, and their actions, choices, behaviors.
This creates guilt and shame, which has to be externalized.
 
If, for the moment, we stop this line of reasoning and we return back to our definition of what Nihilism is, we can say that Nihilism is entirely a noetic construct, that only refers to world selectively, and also to emotions, as validation of its premises.
What is the only way a meme can be transmitted, shared, communicated?
Symbols.

Symbols as representation of the human nervous system, taking us, momentarily, off into a different tangent.
If we imagine the human organism as a 'whole' then we can divide it, not arbitrarily, and not for the first time, into three distinct contexts: Mind/Nervous System-Brain/Body
Nervous system bridging the division of mind/body, connecting the two - integrating and synthesizing them.

it is, in fact, the nervous system that finds in symbols (words/numbers) an expression of its utility.
Symbols as connectors of mind to external world and mind to body.
The symbol is the nervous system's representation. 
When we speak we are expressing this nervous energy, connecting mind/body.

There are many aspects of this role which i will not get into at this point.
For our present exploration we can simply recognize words, as symbols, connecting the noumenon (abstraction), to the phenomenon, (apparent, present).
Once we understand this we can proceed to also understand Nihilism as the disconnection of words from phenomena, and their self-referential re-connection back to body, or back to other noetic abstractions.

What this indicates is that nihilism's 'power' its range of effect, is limited by the minds trained to understand the symbols (have a shared language) and have been trained to decipher the symbols, in particular ways (symbols/words, triggering the same emotions, imagery, sensation, concepts)

Nihilism being the tendency to detach, has no other utility, no other existence outside the minds of those sharing in the semiology.
Instead of acting as a tool for engaging the world beyond the mind, it now becomes a tool to affect and spread within human brains, or brains sharing the same semiology.
What this implies is that it is useless outside minds, and it is dependent on minds to persist and to spread.
This is why for Nihilists popularity, proselytizing, infecting other minds is a matter of survival - making quantities more important than qualities. 


In conclusion...
Nihilism is a pure Meme, in that ti has no recognized genetic foundation, but only a genetic disposition. A meme that rejects everything outside the mind, or selectively integrates in into its noetic constructs, making subjectivity its ideal state, and objectivity an evil to be denied.
As pure meme it only survives by spreading form mind to mind. It's range of effect constituting its power potential.
It has no other way to access power, other than through other minds, and this is why it is always political, and indulges in psychological manipulation, duplicity, and lies.
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2017, 04:18:56 pm »
The roots of nihilism is need. A coyote has duplicitous persona too feed. Nihilists care about love and money, in order to get love they need money so they do anything to get money. If the world was on welfare of 5000 dollars a month there would be no crime, people could have easy nirvana and thing would be different. There wouldnt be politicians bought and sold. Genius forums half of them are on welfare and they preach nirvana, its like no **** nirvanas easy to come to if you dont have to work at a factory like a peasant all day long and you have a girl to come home to and food on the table. People lie cheat and steal for reasons.

Religion was also made for reasons, so that politicians and priests could get all the money and power whilst peasants were to be cucks and slaves.

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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2017, 09:41:32 pm »
Nihilism may be an ontological position but it is firmly rooted in objectivity since it is a simple observable
fact that the universe has no purpose but merely exists. Nihilism also says nothing about nihilists from a
psychological perspective. Not possessing a belief system does not make one misanthropic or depressed
or anarchist or anything else for that matter. Now some nihilists may have these traits but that is not all
so they cannot be causal but correlative or coincidental. I myself am a nihilist and possess none of them
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2017, 05:03:55 am »
Nihilism may be an ontological position but it is firmly rooted in objectivity since it is a simple observable
fact that the universe has no purpose but merely exists.
No, Nihilism begins with the demand that the observable universe already possess what man has created in his head.

Like he would expect, believe, that the cosmos have unicorns running around, somewhere, and when he discovers they are improbable and that his demand was irrational because unicorns are mental constructs, becoming upset and calling the cosmos negative words.

Nihilism is a psychological reaction to awakening to a cosmos void of the things we took for granted and believed were provided externally.
Labeling world 'nil' because it does not provide a ready made meaning, and realizing meaning only exists in the mind, establishes a relationship that infects every appreciation of it.
Even the word 'meaning' must be returned to its proper place, as do the words 'god', 'purpose' 'nihilism' itself, 'morality', 'human', and so on. 

Nihilism begins by failing to connect noumena to phenomena, or to tolerate what the connections expose it to, choosing to disconnect, so as to survive.
 Words are the connectors...so detaching words from their relationship to mind and world, or mind and body, redefining them, meaning reattaching them in whatever way is pleasing, and is still loyal to linguistic form that facilitates communication, is a symptom of all nihilistic forms.
Words no longer act as connectors of mind to world, they no longer have a reference outside the mind but, instead, refer back to the mind, taking the form of recombined abstractions, such as unicorns, or emotions, or remaining forever conveniently vague and incomprehensible.

If we take but one example, the word 'god', we can appreciate how it was converted from a metaphor for observable phenomena (paganism), to an abstraction that actually contradicts the observably phenomena (abrahamism).
In the thread I've titled  Words , I examine and return words to their proper place, trying to cleanse them of their nihilistic baggage.

Consider another much-used word: human.
Human, like all species designations, refers to an observable phenomenon: a population of organisms that has evolved the ability to cooperate genetically, and with humans memetically.
In other words it is a sexual, reproductive designation, made up of two sub-categories, male/female.
In our modern, positive nihilistic society the word 'human' has been stripped of its original meaning, and converted to an idea: an abstraction that has no external to the minds infected, reference.
Having been hijacked by nihilism, the word can now be used to mean almost anything, if it maintains its ability to communicate this meaning to other minds.
It can be placed in any context, in any place in a sentence sequence, it can allude to anything pleasing, desirable, anything mental.
It has been disconnected form its original, pragmatic connector utility, and made into an abstraction to be played with, at the convenience of any hypocrite and coward that wishes to create a delusion to help him cope.
You can find plenty of such examples on ILP.
 
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Nihilism also says nothing about nihilists from a
psychological perspective. Not possessing a belief system does not make one misanthropic or depressed
or anarchist or anything else for that matter. Now some nihilists may have these traits but that is not all
so they cannot be causal but correlative or coincidental. I myself am a nihilist and possess none of them
Nihilists would not dare analyze things that would expose their dis-ease.
Nihilism IS a psychosis.
It relates to the real world in a negative way.
Nihilism is a multifarious belief system, as it is not bound by anything real.
It can imagine, fantasize, anything, and claim anything, and even contradict, negate, everything.
It can use words , symbols, in whatever way comforts and pleases it, helping it deal with  not-benevolent, non-providing, non-caring, world

There are two psychological forms of Nihilism:
Pure, authentic, and duplicitous.
The first believes in nothing. Literally.
The second fills this nothing with its own abstractions....I call it positive Nihilism, and it includes Abrahamism and Marxism. 

You call yourself nihilist in the traditional Russian manner.
You woke up one day and demanded that life, the world, give you what you wanted.
over time you realized it would not, and you called this nil.
This is part of the nihilistic psychosis, retarding the mind and maintaining it in a state of infancy.
The cosmos is not a negative, because it does not possess God, meaning, purpose, ready-made for you.
It does morality, but you have to break free of your Abrahamic understanding of morality.
Morality is not a uni-versal rule of conduct....it is a social behaviour facilitating cooperative unities, such as heterosexual reproduction, social cooperation.

There's nothing intrinsically 'bad' about killing, or taking what does not belong to you, or having sex with your friends mate.
It is 'bad' from a cooperative standpoint, and since humans, and all social species, have slowly evolved to become dependent on others of their won kind, it is also negative in relation to the individual's survival potentials.

Nihilism is a mental disorder, if it persists beyond a certain age of development.
It is an attitude...a negative reaction to the realization that the uni-verse is not like the parent, a benevolent, and endless supply of what you need.
How you understand the concept nihilism, is part of nihilism.
To break free, to cure yourself from the dis-ease, you must cleans the words this mememtic dis-ease uses to propagate.
Like cancer infects the body and makes the cells go haywire, so does nihilism hijacks words, the representations of thinking, and redirects the natural development of an organism, preventing him/her from developing a healthy relationship...with world, with himself and existence. 

The cosmos is not negative, because it failed to provide for you a ready made meaning, purpose, a protective caring god, a universal behavioral standard....this is what makes it positive.
 


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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2017, 06:01:40 am »
I am only a nihilist in the sense that I do not think there is any objective meaning to either the universe or to existence. Now
this statement may superficially appear negative but it is actually neutral because it is a statement of fact. I am a realist also
and so accept reality for what it is not for what I want it to be. I have no desire to fill the void with something meaningful for
I am perfectly happy to leave it be. Re interpreting reality to make it what you want it to be does not actually change it at all
The universe will still be here long after the human race has ceased to exist. In the meantime it is better to just observe and
keep the pontificating about what it all means to a minimum. And especially as it is not a requirement for us to be here at all
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2017, 07:04:18 am »
I am only a nihilist in the sense that I do not think there is any objective meaning to either the universe or to existence. Now
this statement may superficially appear negative but it is actually neutral because it is a statement of fact. I am a realist also
and so accept reality for what it is not for what I want it to be. I have no desire to fill the void with something meaningful for
I am perfectly happy to leave it be. Re interpreting reality to make it what you want it to be does not actually change it at all
The universe will still be here long after the human race has ceased to exist. In the meantime it is better to just observe and
keep the pontificating about what it all means to a minimum. And especially as it is not a requirement for us to be here at all
I've explained myself...no need to justify yourself.
You can call yourself anything you like...it's in fashion: self-identifying.

You are no nihilist.
You have been convinced that you are, because you rejected human bullshyte.

I gave you my definition.
Here's another example...
To demand that the world possess a fabrication of your mind, taken literally and not, as what it is, as artistic representation, is insanity.
A box is not empty if it is missing the idea in my head.

You have to relearn words like meaning, purpose, god, morality.
Demanding that the universe provide them as nihilists define them is part of the nihilistic dis-ease....the virus paradigm. 
Negating human delusions is not nihilism....nullifying the nil is what?

Nihilism is contradicting the real with an idea.
The way Nihilists define words, referring to concepts in their head, nullifies, contradicts, what is experienced, what exists.
Think on it.
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2017, 03:30:20 pm »
Infinity is the way we understand fluidity, and the absence of absolutes.
The infinitely divisible number 1, is the paradox produced by taking a symbol, a representation, literally.
A static representation of a dynamic process. An externalized abstraction.

Everything is divisible, because there is no single 'thing', only dynamic process.
We need a thing to conceptualize, because we are ordering organisms, therefore we need a something to be vibrating/oscillating....otherwise it baffles us.
We use the metaphor of a vibrating/oscillating string, to make String Theory comprehensible, because there is no string, but only vibration.
This is why a philosopher must be a hybrid, a balance between scientist and artist, without veering too far either way.
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2017, 10:23:40 am »
Unable to completely break free from their comfortable presuppositions, the Nihilists shifts from Abrahamic religion, to Marxism, and from Humanism to Transhumanism.
Nihilism offers a variety of options because ti is uninhibited, shameless and unrestricted by an external reality.

God's authority is replaced by the State's and then by the Human's.
Each authority detached form reality, and converted to a pure noetic construct - Ideal.
The underlying necessary presupposition is that all order must be the product of a conscious, rational, mind.
Natural order must either be created by a god, or by man, or in liberalism, by a collective of agreeing humans.
Order is not dis-covered already made, but it is willfully created out of nothing.
Not reported, objectively, but constructed, subjectively, and then supported collectively, or imposed violently.

Abrahamic Nihilism has no been abandoned, it has been adapted, adjusted, preserving its core elements.
The collective bonding principle being morality.
How many does the idea integrate and keep safe, from the world beyond?

God is replaced by the vague abstraction of morality, as God's word, or State law.
Humanity idealized and the collective will expressed through morality - love/hate the moral ingredients replacing good/evil.

The Nihilistic, pure noumenon/abstraction, God, is replaced by State, and finally by the idealized, sanctified concept of Humanity.
God's word, becomes State rule, and then Human morality.
Morality ceases to be an evolved method of integrating organisms into cohesive groups, surrendering a portion of freedom to be compensated for by an increase in the degree of potential survival, and it becomes, like Divine love, like State law, the binding authority.
As abstraction it can be invoked in any circumstance,a s a form of peer-pressure, or justification, when no reasons or arguments can be found to confront a threatening world.
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2017, 12:38:39 pm »
Of course realism, Paganism is not unique, and does not offer more than the obvious, which only becomes controversial when they are denied, forgotten, negated by Nihilists and by psychotics.
The obvious is controversial, disturbing, among the sheltered, the still sleeping, the brain-dead, the ones in denial - detached form reality.
What is obvious about reality is threatening, obscene, only to those who have been kept asleep for far too long.
One should expect agreement when describing a shared world, honestly and courageously.
World in Flux does not mean the world is changing at a rate that no patterns can be discovered that are not useful (fact) - that do not become obsolete the moment they are perceived.
Realism can only symbolize, use unique metaphors, different symbols (words) to describe and refer to the same phenomena.

A dog by any other name refers to the same organism, because an organism is a behavioral pattern, not an absolute thing.
A repetitive, predictable organism....that is still evolving (changing) but not at a rate as to make it incomprehensible.
Altering the metaphors, the words, does not change the reference point...unless your motive is to detach and pretend you are referring to something else, or rejecting the reference point, annihilating it, or converting it to a pure noetic abstraction, an idea(l).
This is the case with the species symbol 'human'.
No matter what name you give to the phenomenon this English term refers to you are still referring to a species, with specific attributes and behavioral patterns. 
Nihilists take the term and convert it to an idea(l), detaching it from its reference points....de-sexualizing it, mystifying it, making it into a divine metaphor, or an idea that has no sexual or racial meaning.
They intentionally take a symbol, 'human' and strip it of all connections to the real world, converting it to an idea they can manipulate at will.
Human is now a concept, not a species designation, not a reproduction, designation, therefore eliminating the undesirable restricting components of male/female, or masculine and feminine behaviours, roles.
The word, symbol, can now be used in any way the particular Nihilistic variation desires, as long as it retains its viral component of communicability. 
They do with all words referring to noumena they desperately want to disconnect form a limiting, threatening world.

The word can now be placed in any sequence, any context, desirable. It can mean anything, if it remains comprehensible to other, because nihilism must survive by infecting others with its viral strain.
Conflict, debate, becomes a matter of convictions and the hearts and minds of multiplicity - popularity, politics. 
It need not refer to anything outside these human relationships, because it no longer validates itself by adhering to experienced world, but by how many humans are manipulated, exploited, convinced, seduced.
Therefore, how pleasant it, hoe hopeful, how sexy, how popular, how addictive, how much happiness pleasure it promises becomes evidence of its power, its truth.

A concept, a theory, an idea, is now evaluated by how much happiness, pleasure it offers.
Inter-Subjectivity.
Disconnecting the noumenon from the phenomenon, at the point of reference of word/symbol, allows the re-connection to be returned back to another abstraction, another noumenon, within the same mind, or in the mind of another. 
The idea is no longer verified/validated by the quality of its connections outside the mind, how well ti explains phenomena and their (inter)actions, but by what emotions it can trigger, and to hat degree, and the pleasure it can produce; what hope, comfort, what corrective, compensating alternatives it can offer.
This is solipsism using other as a ploy...self-pleasuring where the other is coincidental, a means to self-gratify, self-flatter, self-love.
The other is the conduit through which you validate what is pleasing to yourself.

The linguistically unyielding, unpleasant/hurtful, uncaring/indifferent, world is excluded - inter-subjectivity.
Golden /Rule, Social Contract:
If I play into your self-pleasing solipsism, as a bit player, you ought to do the same for me.

Christian Ethos: God, the eternal absolute OTHER, as a conduit towards self-love, self-pleasure...eternal Paradise.
Marxist Dogma: State, the eternal absolute OTHER, as a conduit towards self-love, self-pleasure...eternal Utopia.
sacrificing self as the manifestation of past - past made present - sum of all nurturing = nature.
Sacrifice of one's nature on the altar of survival.
Self supporting one's own survival, hiding it in word-games. Brain self-preserving by deluding itself - forgetting, schizophrenia, compartmentalization. 
But the world is still indifferent so one must lie to one's self: say one thing, believe another, and do a third.
Selective reasoning.
Metaphysics and physics and ideals ought not to be in harmony - agreement.
They can contradict one another - disharmony.

You cannot trick the world using words games, so instead you trick as many humans as possible, and yourself to be more convincing.
Humanity = World.
Herd psychosis. A wall of flesh and blood between the insecure 'I' and the indifferent world beyond.

This contradiction is the paradox.
Paradox as excuse, as shelter, as mystification, as the nervous nexus where the mind refer back to itself and ignores its own ruse - cynicism.
Laughing at your own cowardice and your own hypocrisy.
Laughter as a release of nervous tension.
Paradox as orgasmic, pleasing, relieving - ****.
Joy of manipulating yourself, and then recruiting others to do it for you.
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2017, 08:54:28 am »
Inversion is the essence of nihilism.
Empathy is confused for sympathy, and this indicates that they do not truly understand, or relate to other, but only place themselves in the other's circumstances, and imagine how they would feel, act, behave, think, if that were so.
They project themselves into other, and think they understand other, when they are simply seeing themselves in the other's situation.

Similarly, when they use words, it is not to bring world to them, but to cast self into world.
Nihilists see versions of themselves, or what they understand of themselves, in the world.
So when they speak of reality they speak of how they react to what they can tolerate.
When they speak of world they speak of their reaction to it.
A Nihilist's theories are perfect ways to understand the nihilist's psychology.

Words so detached from reality that they only serve to project and expose self.
Their choice of words, how they place them in a sentence sequence, what metaphors they use and take literally, all express their inner world.
It is not the world directing their thinking, but they imposing their thinking on the world. 
They do not adapt to world, the world is adapted to them...their needs, desires, emotions, hopes, fantasies.
It is why they are almost always subjectivists, rejecting objective reality. 
 
So, when they attack you it is always a version of themselves they assault.
Unable to cleans the projection of their own corrupting emotions, desires, needs, they can only sympathize, or hate  what is most negative of themselves in you.
They are incapable of rue empathy, for they associate it with automatic sympathy.
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2017, 07:01:35 am »
Everyone speaks of their reaction to the world when they reference it so that is not something exclusive to nihilists. Rather a
characteristic of human beings in general of which nihilists are but a subset of. No one is capable of objectivity all of the time
Humans are emotional beings as much as logical ones. We cannot detach ourselves entirely from reality because reality is all
there is. And so any attempt to deny reality cannot truly succeed for existence by its very nature is a manifestation of reality
Every single human life is. However when the reality which objectively exists and ones own subjective interpretation of it are
sufficiently incompatible then it becomes a problem. So that is why one should as much as humanly possible strive to ensure
harmony between the two. The best way to achieve this is to just focus upon what you can change and simply let everything
else be. As reality is not going to change anyway just because you want it to. One has to adapt to it not the other way round
   

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2017, 07:49:15 am »
Everyone speaks of their reaction to the world when they reference it so that is not something exclusive to nihilists.
Read, more carefully what I say about nihilism in relation to this reaction.

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Rather a characteristic of human beings in general of which nihilists are but a subset of. No one is capable of objectivity all of the time
Humans are emotional beings as much as logical ones.
Using absolutes, in the form of "all the time" is what weak minds use to defend their absurdities, and their inability to display nuanced thinking.
It's a way of strawmaning the other's positions.
A casual insertion of "everyone" and you accuse the other of claiming absolutes.

like when discussing race with morons, and they reply with "not all blacks are intellectually inferior to all Caucasians" or when they reduce the category to skin pigmentation, as if that is all which is involved in the category - like reducing the different types fo bears to fut pigmentation, to ridicule it.

Hint: courage is not the absence of fear, it is how one controls and reacts to it.

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We cannot detach ourselves entirely from reality because reality is all
there is.
Therefore....just as power/strength is a measure of weakness, and gnosis is a measure of ignorance, objectivity is a measure of....yes, subjectivity.
Degrees.
Truth is an approximation, therefore error is an approximation that went way off the mark.

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And so any attempt to deny reality cannot truly succeed for existence by its very nature is a manifestation of reality Every single human life is. 
As long as there's a system protecting error, subjectivity, weakness from the consequences of its own mistakes, it propagates and becomes emboldened.
It then declares itself the equal to any other.

I also explained how, no matter how fanatic the nihilist is, he must lie, to himself and to others, if he is to survive in a world that does not give a **** what bullshyte he tells himself to endure.
The common characteristic of positive nihilists, is hypocrisy.

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However when the reality which objectively exists and ones own subjective interpretation of it are
sufficiently incompatible then it becomes a problem. So that is why one should as much as humanly possible strive to ensure
harmony between the two.
Bingo!!!
And one begins with what is most intimate....self.
Know Thyself.

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The best way to achieve this is to just focus upon what you can change and simply let everything
else be.
But, before you let it be, you must first know what it is, and that you cannot change it, or what you cannot change about it.

Closing your eyes and ears to whatever confronts you and you can do nothing about, is what cowards do.
Are you a coward/
Wait...you come from ILP...nevermind.

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As reality is not going to change anyway just because you want it to. One has to adapt to it not the other way round
Yes...now return to ILP and try to pound this into their thick, idiotic, skulls.
If you cannot....then what a waste of time to even discuss anything important with such manimals in a serious way.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2017, 05:28:13 pm by Satyr »
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