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Re: Welcome Satyr
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2017, 06:06:40 am »
There are some good debates over there. It is not all mindless gossip. I do understand your position although I do
not agree with all of it. I have started a thread which references the part which I do agree with. For playing devils
advocate is not my style. I think the lack of objective meaning is a blank canvas upon which one can project their
own meaning. In this respect nihilism is not the negative that it is usually portrayed as but a neutral or a positive
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Re: Welcome Satyr
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2017, 07:28:53 am »
There are some good debates over there. It is not all mindless gossip. I do understand your position although I do
not agree with all of it. I have started a thread which references the part which I do agree with. For playing devils
advocate is not my style. I think the lack of objective meaning is a blank canvas upon which one can project their
own meaning. In this respect nihilism is not the negative that it is usually portrayed as but a neutral or a positive
No, it is not a blank canvas...
You can't just make-up anything you like and live in accordance with it.

The absence of absolutes, you understand as Nihilism, is not the freedom to think whatever you desire and believe in whatever makes you feel good.
Man is not free to live a life using whatever bullshyte he prefers to be so.
The absence of absolutes is not a free-pass out of objective reality. 
Flux, fluctuating (inter)activitites does not imply a rate of change where every thought is obsolete the moment you think it, or no god, does not mean there is no natural order - unconscious and unyielding to words.

There is no tabula rasa.
Not all ideals are realistic. 

You, as organism are present, as the past manifesting as presence.
Your nature, is the sum total of all past nurturing, environmental conditioning.
You are not at liberty to identify yourself with whatever you like, or is trending.

Positive Nihilism is not a free-pass. 

I explain this here .
« Last Edit: February 23, 2017, 07:32:00 am by Satyr »
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Re: Welcome Satyr
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2017, 12:35:23 pm »
I did previously state that ones own subjective interpretation of objective reality and objective reality itself should not be incompatible
with each other. As long as this condition is satisfied then one can give whatever meaning they want to their life. If on the other hand
the meaning is incompatible with objective reality then ideally it should be discarded.  Although the one holding it is not usually aware
of this. The most obvious example of such meaning is of course religion. And that is because it references the supernatural something 
for which there is precisely zero evidence of within the physical universe. That is why atheism and nihilism are so perfectly compatible
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Re: Welcome Satyr
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2017, 01:09:39 pm »
Atheism is compatible with your understanding of Nihilism.
It simply rejects the theistic concept of an Abrahamic god, which is, itself nihilistic because it contradicts everything we, as living organisms, experience.
They propose a ridiculous absurdity, an absolute, which then must be annulled with an equally absurd absolute - binary logic, the dualism of Nihilism: ONE/NIL.
Here is where the paradox begins.
Positive Nihilism offers a abstraction it cannot prove, or point to, but exists as a theory, a noumenon, in their heads, and the way they define it it contradicts everything we know as existence....then the atheists must reject this absurdity, being more honest than their hypocritical counterparts, so thy do not contradict god, as a concept, but God as it is presented by the absolutism of positive Nihilism, to which they respond with an absolute nil.

Then they go on and on debating this absurdity, an they call this "philosophy".   
Theism and atheism caught in a struggle over a absurdity the theist fabricated to help them cope with the absence of a parent, out there, and then used to exploit the cowardice and idiocy of the masses.
atheist know it is an absurdity, but most of them accept the nihilistic definition of 'god', and because they accept it they define themselves as Nihilists, because they annul the absurdity the Nihilists invented.
They are Nihilists in relation top Nihilism...trapped in the linguistic bullshit of those they feel superior to.

Some go further to claim that since there is no god, no one, then anything is possible. I can invent my own reality, I can self-identify....secular humanism is the outcome...inventing Marxism. Secular Abrahamism is Humanism. The secular form of Christianity is Marxism.

You are identifying in relation to a concept Nihilists invented.
That would be calling yourself a sinner, or evil, in relation to Christian ethics.
You've submitted to Nihilism when you call yourself a nihilist because you reject the bullshit they sell.

Do you understand?


As for ILP and your new thread....trust me, that place is brain dead, or populated with insane clowns, including many of the moderators.
All you receive are snide remarks, gossipy derailing, cynicism, and the usual variety of crazies vomiting and mind-farting.
Oh sure you might get some moron coming to brag and posture, or some woman to tell you about how wonderful love is, and how we should all learn to get along, but you can get that in any bar in North America and Europe, and in any street corner.
Same **** on and on.

What people like that call 'philosophy' are clever quotes offering some help, directing them towards happiness, or pleasure.
They think of philosophy as a self-help manual.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2017, 01:22:10 pm by Satyr »
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Re: Welcome Satyr
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2017, 02:15:47 pm »
I do understand that atheism and nihilism are responses to an absolute and that I am defining myself by how others define them
selves. But I cannot deny myself these labels in spite of this. And as far as ILP is concerned I may not post as much from now on
but shall still probably be a member there. I like your forum as it offers an alternative view and outside of the Dungeon is usually
quite serious. And the only reason that I do not post there is because I do not like the aesthetics. Which is why I just lurk instead
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