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Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« on: February 24, 2017, 05:15:34 pm »
You can't kill philosophy here. Back on your broomstick and go home.



This site hasn't even been open a month,  filled with people your forum has banned, and everyone is behaving and getting along,  because nobody is dicking around with their posts or ability to state their position or argue. It's been making descent advances compared to the early days of ILP.  Don't ruin it for everyone by demanding others conform to your fascist world vision of propriety. If you want to torment people with crazy rules,  you can go into the protected forum area,  set up your own little meanie universe,  and everyone posting in that thread will respect it. We don't enforce the world view of Magsj on everyone here everywhere,  just in a small area. Everywhere else is ruled by rhetoric and dialectic,  to each their own. We are doing just fine without moderators. Notice Satyr isn't murdering anyone,  Trixie isn't lashing out at the control,  I'm not nearly as pissed at the faux displays of the malformed auctoritas on ILP anymore,  cause I don't gotta look at it anymore,  defend people being scared away or being banned,  etc. People have peace here,  and it is the very people you treat as the most twisted and dangerous. They are a reaction,  not the cause. Don't spread your rash here,  it will inflame them.


 
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Re: Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2017, 06:31:06 pm »
So much for me attempting to be under the radar.. like I am on PhilosophyNow.

So much for everyone is welcome here.. delete my account if you must.

Your view of me is odd and very off, but it's yours to have, and I would rather be afforded the luxury to post autonomously like everyone else.. and not be singled out.

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Re: Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2017, 06:42:00 pm »
I don't delete people. Or moderate. Your confusing this site for another.

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Re: Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2017, 07:21:21 pm »
I have not confused this site with no other, but you seem to be confusing me as a moderator from elsewhere and me as a new member of this site. Can the two please be unentwined and seen as the separate entities that they are, because they are.

I did not sign up here to engage in threads like this, so I won't be further..

 






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Re: Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2017, 08:05:57 pm »
Psst,  fine. I'll see if I can ban myself for a day.

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Re: Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2017, 08:19:55 pm »
I don't think I can ban myself. I got very excited at the prospect. Just,  I can't see how to trigger it,  must be a failsafe.

Your free to be here,  and if you were going for animinity, next time don't such a obvious name. Know the name Super Troll is available. Or you can post as guest,  I don't believe you have to sign in to post on this site.

You'll find half of Philosophy Now to be old ILP members as well. I pointed this out in the Ubi Aunt thread. They use a completely different system of moderation as well. Only reason I don't post is because the magazine is rather dull.

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Re: Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2017, 01:01:02 am »
There is no moderation over at Philosophy Now only two robot mods who do no moderating at all. Despite
this the forum manages to function relatively well. There is hardly anyone there from ILP. The two forums
have virtually different members. You may think the magazine dull however the forum is entirely separate

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Re: Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2017, 03:17:45 am »
There is no moderation over at Philosophy Now only two robot mods who do no moderating at all. Despite
this the forum manages to function relatively well. There is hardly anyone there from ILP. The two forums
have virtually different members. You may think the magazine dull however the forum is entirely separate

I have heard mention of moderation over there, but I think it is more stealth than visible.. swoop in, swoop out.. job done.

There are plenty of names and posting styles I recognise, but what I do like is the large contingency of Brits.. and therefore relevant topics.. over there, but time restraints prohibits me from engaging more than I already have been.

So many people I know submit article after article to PN.. until one of them gets published. It seems to be the pinnacle of achievement for the hard-working and driven educated man or woman.

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Re: Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2017, 03:22:19 am »
...and if you were going for animinity,

Or you can post as guest,  I don't believe you have to sign in to post on this site.
...I said autonomy, not anonymity.

...I don't think the guest function is working.

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Re: Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2017, 05:03:17 am »
Surely some MENSA calibre minds can only add to the forum of the exiled.
One who has contributed so much to the intellectual quality of ILP, must certainly be a transfusion of brilliance.

Is it her fault only_humus is a classic defensive, brain-dead, social warrior, out to cleanse the internet of any idea that insults his delicate, sophisticated aesthetics?
Is it her fault Carleas is a mediocre, typical, politically-correct imbecile, who sets the standard for what ILP has become?
Most certainly NOT.
Were the German soldiers in Auschwitz to be held accountable?
Not if they won the war.

In this case we see the effects of defeat, and the subsequent degradation of the vanquished.
Rats jump ship last, when it's obvious the vessel is taking in water, and going dooooown.

We can help by promoting the comforting idea that ILP is intentionally populated by insane retards, and moderated by pseudo-intellectual liberals, who can claim genius as their own, because they no longer believe in the Christian version of existence, and have changed the terms being used to hide their marginal commitment to Marxism. 
Who will protect the "innocent victims" of the world - the wronged, the unjustly judged?
Who will provide a safe haven for open minds, that seem to close, like a prudish woman's legs, when certain words are spoken in a particular sequence?
Who shall keep the world race-free, gender-free, safe for homosexuals, trannnies, and later-on, as we progress, pedophiles, and animal lovers, if you know what I mean?
 ;)
An open mind is one thing, but a hypocrite, a trash can?
That's an entirely different thing.
How much compost can we ever need?
There are some ILP members who produce it by the truck load.
As soon as a seed breaks the surface, it is buried with a new layer of manure, until all you see is a flat, smelly, landscape of ****.
Moderators flattening it out with fine-toothed rakes, under the close supervision of farmer Carleas.
More like manure dealer, because nothing grows there but weeds.
Piles and piles of cow and horse ****, and every once in a while some weed they let grow, to pretend they are doing something productive.
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Re: Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2017, 08:43:48 am »
A philosophy forum is the last place one should expect censorship. As the only way to determine the validity of ideas
is by taking them to pieces and with extreme prejudice too. For none should be deemed exempt from brutal analysis
because they are deemed too sacred or popular or dangerous or controversial to be tampered with. Because the only
way to enlightenment is through open debate not the false comfort of ignorance however tempting it may actually be
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Re: Oh no, the ILP supertroll just signed up :(
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2017, 02:25:20 pm »
Lots of ILP people on PN,  you don't recognize the older members S57.

I've thought about in the past offering on Amazon.com a Philosophy Now alternative (they publish too on Amazon kindle), but that's well down the road.

Philosophy Now is a magazine I first found in Airborne School back in 2004, was even cursed out by the Sargent Major for reading it on the steps of my barracks. I quickly grew tired of reading about professors talking though. It was either Lorin or Lane Friesen (brothers)  who noted most academics are based personality wise out if the Thalamus, because that's the final tier of the brain that "receives" data from other actively working parts of the brain. They are your people who form bureaucracies,  the endless parliamentary procedures and deadlocks....  but they do very little actual thinking consciously.... other modes of mind do the heavy lifting. Why I tend to be hostile to INTPs,  they tend to be really smart,  yet exceptionally retarded,  and they have no hope to resolve this issue at all as far as I've seen.

Philosophy Now is like that,  excent their little bureaucracies are if the current professor talking to a bunch of dead philosophers,  with no hope whatsoever of breaking with tradition,  developing a new idea. It's about conformity. Thus is anathema to me, and every time I see that magazine,  dusty cobwebs pop into my mind.

I tend not to even use the big four- Kant,  Hegel,  Marx,  Nietzsche either in my work,  so I get exceptionally little out of hearing some sleepy headed professor's insight into Kant.

The PN forum is a alternative version of ILP sans the staff,  a lot if old members. I've never really seen a stand out thread on the site,  but at the same time,  it doesn't deserve harassment. I'm happy for them to slumber. I'm trying to create something inherently more aggressive here. I can't really break the strangle hold of the big four on philosophical debate realistically- I took on a student recently,  and the only books she bought to my dussapointment came from them....  if your exceptionally smart you can use them and break out of the mold,  but the fast majority can't. If I see them quoted I usually see the person as mentally brain dead,  not able to think past the slim offerings on a local booksellers philosophy section. My philosophy section growing up only had books on Nietzsche,  Epictetus. I didn't know or care about him,  but did buy Epictetus. I spent years traveling to new libraries finding different books,  homeless even. It's really unfortunate,  that we are still suffering the effects of the 70' and 80' professors who taught that generation of liberal arts majors who ended up starting bookstores in the 90s, only knew Nietzsche or Marx- after the Soviet Union collapsed Marx went with him.  Only guy left standing was Nietzsche,  so most lazy,  under thinking "philosophers" only had access to him,  and are still filling the swamp with leftover farts from that era.

You have no idea how stifling it is to me. Philosophy effectively is dead in our era as a result. I really wish these kinds if "thinkers" wouldn't take up philosophy,  pollute the universities,  drag society down with them. Reminds me too much of those Maoist struggle sessions and rural committed who would try capitalist roaders. It's a genocide to new ideas,  keeps people from breaking out,  rejecting the old order. That Philosophy Now magazine is the very essence of that old order. I find it offensive and disturbing.

I will look into why guests can't post,  I clicked the permissions to guests to post,  I gotta head off and ask the big forum why it isn't working. Only area I lock people out of is forum rules (not much of that substance wise to begin with)  and text area. In theory this site has a censor,  but I'm going to be paying for ad free soon,  and he doesn't seem to actually care about us,  given the massive complaints the administration forum received from everyone running forums. I clicked some blocks saying no censoring words,  while allowing users to censor. I tried to offer maximum autonomy in everything. I really don't care what people do,  as long as raoe or murder or cannibalism or computer viruses result. If you even just try to police people for being stupid,  every post becomes suspect.

This being said,  this site does have a focus on debate and rhetoric,  so coercive replies amongst members are going to be higher. This is something I recommend reaching for Aristotle's categories or rhetoric for,  and less me. I got the right to complain too, but it's unlikely a post is gonna be removed by me,  unless requested in the Protected Debate Forum by the writer of the OP,  as that's for new people not used to full blown debates,  or those who can't thrive without strict rules in place and enforced. Everyone can be a moderator of sorts in that place,  someone like Iambigious could come,  say "I only want to talk about Dasein under these conditions" and I would just shrug,  say yes,  whatever. Everyone can be a little fascist inside that section for all I care,  as long as it us your thread.

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2017, 03:35:03 pm »

I subscribe to Philosophy Now magazine and have bought as many consecutive back issues as I can. I would like to have the complete
set but some are no longer in print. Philosophy is like history in that there is so much of it. A life time is not long enough for true study
Most of the magazines I have yet to read. I have a biography of Nietzsche half read because the prose was incredibly dull. One entitled
The Great Philosophers which if memory serves omits Kant but includes Turing. Odd that for he was a mathematician not a philosopher
Also Platos Republic and that is about it. I am just a novice but hope to learn more over time as knowledge acquisition is my goal in life

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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2017, 03:49:33 pm »
Mathematics is certainly within philosophy,  and Turing did a lot to speculate in regards to the nature of information and consciousness.

I'm willing to bet those old editions are floating around in PDF or on Scribd,  but better magazines exist. You should go into a large English library and ask if they have philosophy magazines. When I was in San Francisco,  I ripped through most of the back editions of university grade academic magazines,  they dissected ideas to a small isolated comparison,  and I know I'm the only one in the city who read them,  cause I used to leave emergency money in them (I was a hobo). Money still inside some.

Libraries buy issues up,  when they get enough,  they slap them in a thick leather binder,  years worth of issues usually. Professors have to write them to get tenure,  libraries buy them in bug cities due to grants,  very,  very rarely read. Why?  Only aimed at other professors,  and those professors are given a few thousand dollars each year to buy publications for research,  and this mostly comes from when they go to conferences with other professors who write gobblygoop on Kant or Nietzsche,  price it $100 to $300 (or even higher)  and buy each others papers.

That money comes from tuition of students,  and that from government grants,  same grants that fund the public libraries that buy these magazines nobody reads.

It's a tax payer funded game. It's why you occasionally see me cuss out professors who are Tenure-Farmers,  writing purely to meet obligations to get full tenure.

Your better off looking for specific topics that matter to you. I do it this way....  something has to puzzle me in research. As a result,  very difficult to narrow me down in any field.


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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2017, 04:56:49 pm »
I cannot think of a specific issue that interests me more than any other at the moment. Maybe when I have a greater understanding of philosophy
in general I might acquire one. The other subjects I am especially interested in are physics and maths and history. I become interested in physics
and philosophy after becoming atheist six years ago. There is a logical connection between the three.  I do not want to narrow my range but keep
my interests as broad as possible. I also read politics and psychology and crime. And classic fiction and science fiction on the fiction side. I have a
rule that my fiction must not exceed my non fiction. For I wish to be educated rather than entertained. Although it is of course possible to be both   
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2017, 06:54:51 pm »
Sextus Empericus then. I'm working on a new class of medical mathematics inspired by him,  posted a aspect if my Sine Wave creature on thus forum in response to Satyr somewhere recently,  here it is:



Of course,  I'm not restricting myself to him. Pyrrhonists were not theists or atheistic,  not able to assert a solid judgment either way. I'm not a big fan on how that line of thinking leads to Advaitian arguments on Non-Duality (in text area, see Astravakra Gita for a example), but are generally excellent in casting doubt on knowledge,  while remaining scientifically minded. They come damn close to bring Buddhist,  good arguments have been presented that they actually are a westernized fringe philosophy of Buddhism,  without any meditation,  gods,  or likewise trappings,  just the bare psychological arguments.

But we've also had a few thousand years of disputing that school too,  so I wouldn't recommend jumping onto the skeptic bandwagon in full faith (he he he)  just yet. I think you'll get alot out of Sextus Empericus though. Satyr can miscorrect all your correctly spelled terminology when you speak of them. I'll see if any of his works are public domain and online to add to the library here soon,  but I know Loeb Classical Library has excellent translations out,  given you collect books and magazines,  if you want it in actual print.


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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2017, 01:52:33 pm »
Looking forward to posting and engaging a bit more on here very soon...

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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2017, 03:15:23 pm »
I've been very busy. If your on Second Life, and are a member of Philosophy House, I do a standup act each night in the chat at random. Purely random questions using purposefully demented logic that formulaically sounds correct. Quite funny, last night I advocated taxing friendship.

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2017, 02:57:24 pm »
The signing up process sounds like it could be longwinded, but I could be wrong... will check out the site.

Why does more energy not mean more time for one's-self? :-\


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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2017, 08:48:20 pm »
I'm currently in some place linked to philosophy called Babbage philosophy/ temple of hesphaestus. I was invited after the owner of the sim saw me defeat the current head of what remains of philosophy house to help build up a counter philosophical school.

Before I returned, the entire virtual world was split pretty much between Thothica and remnants of the old philosophy house. I'm building up a new order, gather forces. Once I finish with the main site, load a lot of debate material there.

Would recommend you join Philosophy House (group), head to Thothica (place) and keep a ear out for events dealing in philosophy. I might see if I can start events here soon, using Lumiya App on phone so not certain I can.


 

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